First to Engage: Exploiting the mechanic?

[justin2090]

Originally Posted by Mezzmur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really enjoy the racing and don't mind competing for mobs. I don't mind tracking while doing other stuff on my other monitor, but sitting typing /target Venril for 4 hours at a time sucks, but it's the way things are right now if you want to kill him. However, I will it is a rush when you do get the FTE, I thoroughly enjoyed it this week.

The idea behind a random repop day is that you would reset the timers more regularly and give an opportunity to more people if that's what you're after without putting some restriction on any one guild. If TMO REALLY wanted more of those mobs we'd be forced to do more with less and split our forces into multiple targets and create a challenge. If the repop happend weekly or bi-weekly you'd reduce the time stuff is "in window" ie Poopsock time. Weekly would be best to achieve this. You'd still have a chance for stuff to spawn, and potentially some stuff would even spawn more often if they were up mid-week, but I see it as a better way to counteract at least some of the sock-offs.

If you enjoy the competition why not have a world wide message that say's "X-mob will spawn in 30 minutes". Then everybody, even the ec mules, will know its time to log the main and truck it. Make the spawn time always happen during prime time hours so that the majority will have a chance. I know it would suck for the euro guilds and I don't know how to resolve that.

Basically you get home from work at 5pm and play till 10pm and sometime in between you may see a server message that says "Trak will spawn in 30 minutes!" Then may the best muster guild win.

[sanforce]

Originally Posted by justin2090 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you enjoy the competition why not have a world wide message that say's "X-mob will spawn in 30 minutes". Then everybody, even the ec mules, will know its time to log the main and truck it. Make the spawn time always happen during prime time hours so that the majority will have a chance. I know it would suck for the euro guilds and I don't know how to resolve that.

Basically you get home from work at 5pm and play till 10pm and sometime in between you may see a server message that says "Trak will spawn in 30 minutes!" Then may the best muster guild win.

So 100 monks can be FDd on the spawn point ready for an insta engage? That's not a race.

[dav]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which I'm totally fine with. If the kill boards were a little more blue this week, I'm sure they'd be fine with it too.

Which is wrong. People shouldn't be whining because of the way that one weeks worth of raiding goes. Just because IB/FE lost FTE on VS doesn't mean that DA stalling is all of a sudden wrong, anymore than it means that variance and poopsocking is messed up. They've always been issues, and not classic.

If people would stop lobbying for changes simply because it benefits them one week, and instead if the GMs would buy into the fact that certain actions are wrong and not-classic and instead fix them for the server as a whole, I think we would be a lot better off.

What we currently have is the people that created bullshit like Variance and blessed things such as VP-training and DA-stalling openly stating things like this:

Let's use Trak as an example. The other day fe/ib got a Trak engage with just a few people in the zone. You guys were able to get your raid force in and down trak in about ~2minutes. This took skill, organization, mobilization, and was a good kill. These are the kinds of things we want to encourage here, not planting 50 people at trak spawn and having me turn you all into boats.

Yes because, that's what camping out characters, FTE tagging and stalling while they log-in from a batphone is. Skill, organization, and mobilization, just like classic EQ.. right?

Wait, no that didn't happen. Sorry.

As long as the people making the rules and calling the shots are under the assumption that all of this non-classic garbage is somehow good for the server/them then it's going to continue.

If the entire playerbase and not just the one guild it benefits given the current week would come out and say: "This stuff is stupid and is not a classic mechanic please fix it" I think they would be a lot more liable to actually listen/care.

The problem is that some people have ADAPTED to these rules and are good at them, so they don't want to change them (a few persons withstanding) until they stop benefiting from them.

Personally, I just want the mechanics to be classic, regardless of whether or not it means the playerbase has to sit at a mobs spawnpoint and wait for a known spawntime and fight it out for FTE.

It shouldn't matter who is benefiting from the current system one week to the next, it should be looked at in a "how did it work during classic EQ" sense.

The truth is that until all parties involved want it to change, and the guides/gms/devs/admins come to their senses and realize that FTE tagging, DA stalling, VP-training, batphoning, and every other single thing that is not-classic is a detriment to the playerbase/server at large, things are going to remain the same.

Glad you're fine with it for now though. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Cecily]

I hate you all so much.

[justin2090]

Originally Posted by sanforce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So 100 monks can be FDd on the spawn point ready for an insta engage? That's not a race.

Well being that the spawn wouldn't be a set day every week. You don't know when the respawn is. Could be 1 day or could be 30 days. All you know is when the message comes up its go time.

Now if you mean that the monks truck it there when they see the message and FD. How is truck it not a race?

[arsenalpow]

Scheduled spawns aren't going to be the answer, variance is probably necessary at this point.

[dav]

Originally Posted by Mezzmur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bans ramp up 7/14/28/.... days at a time.

I know of at least 3-4 people that have suspended on both sides and when this kind of stuff happens. If there is an issue with a whole raid or guild and it's fraps'd the GMs have also raid suspended an entire guild from all/some raid mobs as well.

I mean, back in 2011, I believe it was Perun who was suspended and TR suspended for using ShowEQ? (Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I recall)

None of this is unheard of, if you feel you're wronged or you see people doing something wrong, put your petition in and let the GMs answer your petition. They can't be everywhere at once, but they do their damned hardest to make sure that everyone is on the same playing field.

TR was never suspended because Perun used SEQ. Perun was, and so were another 300 or so large group of players.

[Splorf22]

players want repops
admins promised long ago
tinfoil hats incoming

[dav]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Scheduled spawns aren't going to be the answer, variance is probably necessary at this point.

The answer to what? First we need a question.

If the question is "How can we make the raidscene fun and engaging for all?" then no it is not the answer. If it is "How can we sculpt a raidscene that funnels up to one guild dominating content?" then it is not the answer.

If the question is "How can we make the mechanics as classic as possible?" then it's the ONLY answer.

Unfortunately, the truth is that some people would rather not play with classic mechanics.

We would rather bitch and moan and make threads such as this talking about how raiding sucks everytime we're snubbed by one of the rules or feel cheated, based on how we're feeling at the moment.

At least if stuff was classic complaints could be met with "deal with it, it's classic". Now it feels like they're met with "deal with it, some of us enjoy it for the time being".

It's sad.

[justin2090]

I think I speak for most when I say that I was a kid when I played classic. I had no real responsibilities besides going to school. Most P99'ers wanna relive classic but don't have the classic amount of time to put in. That's what this server is all about right? Relive the classic experience? Why not make it easier to do so since we're adults now with other things to do.

EDIT:
And that could start with a message saying that "X mob has spawned" (previous post)