Duration of Shared Grp XP Penalties - Page 23

Messianic · #**221** 08-27-2010, 11:21 AM

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I thought there were limits on that. When we started, we were only three levels apart. She got over a level and a half in the time it took me to get one level. That's a pretty steep penalty for being only three levels apart. From my admittedly foggy memory, I didn't think there was a disparity when you were that close in level.

I don't think that's a huge disparity... again, if you had results from same-level people, I'd be more inclined to think there was a problem.

Braveguard · #**222** 08-27-2010, 11:56 AM

In any case, that isn't consistent with what Uthgaard said. He said that the cups would fill up at the same time and specifically mentioned higher levels.

If she needed 20,000 to level and I needed 10,000 to level. I understand that she would get 2 points of xp to my 1... thus filling the cups at the same rate proportionally. This is NOT what was happening. She got well over 1.5 levels to my 1 level.

I remember fairly early in classic there was some kind of pet bug regarding a disparity in exp but it's too vague in memory. I wonder if her being a pet class has something to do with it.

Messianic · #**223** 08-27-2010, 12:14 PM

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In any case, that isn't consistent with what Uthgaard said. He said that the cups would fill up at the same time and specifically mentioned higher levels.

If she needed 20,000 to level and I needed 10,000 to level. I understand that she would get 2 points of xp to my 1... thus filling the cups at the same rate proportionally. This is NOT what was happening. She got well over 1.5 levels to my 1 level.

I remember fairly early in classic there was some kind of pet bug regarding a disparity in exp but it's too vague in memory. I wonder if her being a pet class has something to do with it.

I'm pretty sure he was referring to shared hybrid xp penalties. In his analogy, more of the XP goes to the bigger cups (the hybrids), so less goes to other members of the group. But this is assuming everyone is the same level. He didn't add level as a dimension in his response.

In your situation, if you needed 10,000 to level and she needed 20,000, she would get somewhere higher than 2 if you got 1 per kill. It wouldn't take much of a modifier at all (if you do the math) to cause her to gain 1.5 levels while you gained just 1...

Uthgaard · #**224** 08-27-2010, 12:30 PM

This is my understanding of it, and what (limited) testing I've done with it has supported, it may not be all-encompassing of every nuance, and there may be details that I'm unaware of, and there may be some bugs. It's an analogy to help illustrate the mechanic of xp distribution, not a detailed and rigorous breakdown. For that, you'd need Bumamgar, and if you search the thread, you'll find his examples and numbers.

Braveguard · #**225** 08-27-2010, 12:57 PM

He did, Mess'. Read the last line.

Moot point anyway based on what Uth' just said.

I couldn't find any info in this thread that made sense of this situation. I know the behavior in live wasn't like this. My playing partner commented on it before I did so I know she saw the same thing. I'm really tempted to ask her to make a new mage so we can test it from zero at low levels (neither of us really have so much play time though).

Bumamgar · #**226** 08-27-2010, 01:08 PM

It's been tested fairly extensively. However, I will test the specific scenario you describe. Can you provide more details such as what zone you were grouped in, and what mobs you were killing?

Braveguard · #**227** 08-27-2010, 01:33 PM

Sure thing. East Karana (near the Gorge zin if it matters). Started at barely level 17 (maybe one blue bubble) as a druid. She was under halfway through 20 as a mage. She was using a fire pet the whole time. We were killing mostly gorge hounds with a few griffawns tossed in. She hit 21 and then 22 and I dinged 18 about two kills after she got 22.

Messianic · #**228** 08-27-2010, 01:39 PM

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He did, Mess'. Read the last line.

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To break it down further for clarification, the "bigger cup" can be substituted in for hell levels, higher levels, hybrids, etc.

This statement doesn't mean "Both cups will fill equally regardless of the level, hell levels, or if someone is a hybrid." He said it could be used individually for each of those scenarios, not all at once, so all modifiers he mentioned were not included in his original analogy. At least if I follow his words to the letter of what they meant, that's what comes out. If not, I have to believe that a level 30 Troll SK will gain xp at the same % rate as a 25 Halfling warrior in the same group. That's plain silly.

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I know the behavior in live wasn't like this.

I think it was. I grouped with an RL friend quite a bit (Troll Shaman), and I seem to remember him leveling faster because he was higher level, even despite his troll penalty...

Braveguard · #**229** 08-27-2010, 01:50 PM

On the one hand, I hope it's working as intended but, on the other, it means that I can never catch up... unless she is hospitalized and can't play. Hmmm... she IS my ex-wife. No... I guess I don't want to level that badly.

Bumamgar · #**230** 08-27-2010, 01:58 PM

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On the one hand, I hope it's working as intended but, on the other, it means that I can never catch up...

You'll catch up a bit temporarily during hell levels, and of course, at 50th [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]