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Originally Posted by Carl Sagan

An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence.

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Originally Posted by gotrocks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Creationist are so ridiculous to me, because they claim theres no evidence to back up evolution or anything like it, but instead are inclined to say that god created the earth, its only several thousand years old, dinosaurs lived with humans blah blah.

Do they really? Let's just have a look at the citations for the Wiki on evidence for common descent:

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Further reading

• Biological science, Oxford, 2002.
• Clegg CJ (1998). Genetics & evolution. London: J. Murray. ISBN 0-7195-7552-4.
• Coyne, Jerry A. (2009). Why Evolution is True. New York: Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0-19-923084-6.
• Darwin, Charles November 24, 1859. On the Origin of Species by means of Natural Selection or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life. London: John Murray, Albemarle Street. 502 pages. Reprinted: Gramercy (May 22, 1995). ISBN 0-517-12320-7
• Dawkins, Richard (2009). The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution. Bantam Press. ISBN 978-1-4165-9478-9.
• Endler, John A. (1986). Natural selection in the wild. New Jersey: Princeton University Press. ISBN 0-691-08387-8.
• Futuyma, D.J. 1998. Evolutionary Biology. 3rd ed. Sinauer Associates, Sunderland, Massachusetts. (dated 1998, published 1997) ISBN 0-87893-189-9
• Gigerenzer, Gerd (1989). The Empire of chance: how probability changed science and everyday life. Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0-521-33115-3.
• Hill A, Behrensmeyer AK (1980). Fossils in the making: vertebrate taphonomy and paleoecology. Chicago: University of Chicago Press. ISBN 0-226-04169-7.
• Ho, YK (2004). Advanced-level Biology for Hong Kong, Manhattan Press. ISBN 962-990-635-X
• Martin RE (1999). Taphonomy: a process approach. Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0-521-59833-8.
• Mayr, Ernst (2001). What evolution is. New York: Basic Books. ISBN 0-465-04426-3.
• Paul CRC, Donovan SK (1998). The adequacy of the fossil record. New York: John Wiley. ISBN 0-471-96988-5.
• Neil Shubin (2008). Your Inner Fish:A Journey Into the 3.5 Billion-Year History of the Human Body. Random House, Inc. ISBN 978-0-375-42447-2.
• Sober, Elliott (2008). Evidence and Evolution: The logic behind the science. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-0-521-87188-4.

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The Holocaust and evolution, Jonathan Sarfati, Creation 22(1):4, December 1999.
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Philip Kitcher 1982 Abusing Science: The Case Against Creationism. Cambridge: The MIT Press
Jonathan Sarfati, Ph.D; 2003 Refuting Evolution 2. Master Books ISBN 0-89051-387-2
Look up evolution in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.
Coleman, Simon; Leslie Carlin (2004). The Cultures of Creationism: Antievolution in English-speaking Countries. Burlington, Vermont: Ashgate. p. 195. ISBN 0-7546-0912-X.
Isaak, Mark (2005). The Counter-Creationism Handbook. Westport, Connecticut: Greenwood Press. p. 330. ISBN 0-313-33305-X.
Rennie J (July 2002). "15 answers to creationist nonsense" (PDF). Sci. Am. 287 (1): 78–85. doi:10.1038/scientificamerican0702-78. PMID 12085506.

[Hasbinbad]

Oh I wasn't arguing that there aren't stupid people Naez, I was just pointing out that the single assertion that there is not evidence is obviously spurious.

[Black Jesus]

You're all the minority

Group American public
Belief in Young Earth Creationism 44%
Belief in God-guided evolution 39%
Belief in evolution without God guiding the process10%

[Hitchens]

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[Black Jesus]

First of all, it must be noted that the fossil record is for the most part incomplete. While it is true that there are some fossils that seem to indicate a gradual increase in sophistication and complexity of species over a long period of time, there are so many major gaps, it is impossible to use the fossil record as evidence.

Mutations do occur. There is no dispute about that. But how do mutations account for the changes that take place from one species to another? In fact, genetic mutations and natural selection cannot begin to explain how even one, single protein or biological process could have "evolved".

The "Theory of Evolution" states that small, gradual changes in the genetic code sometimes resulted in a beneficial adaptation for an organism of a particular species, and
since it now lived a little longer or a little better, it naturally would have more offspring, and its new and improved genes get passed along. So evidence for evolution MUST show how genes evolved, and how various anatomical structures came to be. But again, there has never been even one experiment showing that a gene has evolved, or any anatomical structure or any physiological process, and instead of true, scientific evidence, the evolutionary scientists offer assumptions as to how they think that DNA or bones might have evolved.

[Alawen]

Originally Posted by Black Jesus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're all the minority

Group American public
Belief in Young Earth Creationism 44%
Belief in God-guided evolution 39%
Belief in evolution without God guiding the process10%

I am developing a post-modernist understanding of Naez's posts. If you stop fighting the breakdown in symbolic language, he's kind of profound. If you consider his last post, for example, through a post-modernist lens, he could be stating many mutually exclusive things simultaneously: a plurality of ignorance is still ignorance, an ad populum argument to support theism, the inadequacy of language to express anything of true import like living and dying. Attempting to categorize Naez's writing through a conventional perspective is pointless, and succeeding at it would destroy what makes them interesting.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Black Jesus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're all the minority

Group American public
Belief in Young Earth Creationism 44%
Belief in God-guided evolution 39%
Belief in evolution without God guiding the process10%

Call it 99.99% vs. 0.01%

The number of people subscribing to a delusion is not a good criteria for putting faith in that delusion.

[Hitchens]

Methamphetamines are a hell of a drug.