Asking a favor from the two top guilds on the server

[Fountree]

Yes, there'll still be fights for the good stuff. But if you want the good stuff, why not join a raiding guild? For those who don't want to join a raiding guild, yet still want to raid on your own time, and aren't overly concerned with equipping the best gear, Velious will hopefully free up the majority of previous raid content. I disagree that it won't fix the raid scene. It is not a permanent fix, but it will improve things for a while. Yes, you will still see RNF threads still and guild rivalry! That is classic and I don't forsee it ending unless it happens naturally amongst players. IMO The longer Velious stays unreleased, the more people will reach max status and the end game of Kunark, and unless they quit or move on, Velious will be more and more cutthroat upon release since there would be more capable players to experience ToV, sleepers, and the other tough encounters.

[finalgrunt]

Originally Posted by Fountree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, there'll still be fights for the good stuff. But if you want the good stuff, why not join a raiding guild? For those who don't want to join a raiding guild, yet still want to raid on your own time, and aren't overly concerned with equipping the best gear, Velious will hopefully free up the majority of previous raid content. I disagree that it won't fix the raid scene. It is not a permanent fix, but it will improve things for a while. Yes, you will still see RNF threads still and guild rivalry! That is classic and I don't forsee it ending unless it happens naturally amongst players. IMO The longer Velious stays unreleased, the more people will reach max status and the end game, and unless they quit or move on, Velious will be more and more cutthroat upon release since there are more capable players to experience it.

We don't want to experience 3 am batphones no race 1 minute kills / trains / FTE sheningans. We want to experience classic EQ. And the only way would to be give smaller guilds a small window to do it. Which means you will continue to experience your non classic cuthroat competition (it goes well beyond, and we acknowledge your efforts) most of the time on non priority targets, and full times for others.

And you didn't really answer my question. Is this still too much to ask from a guild which had a free run for a year at the targets? Or is this all about pure greed? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Kieu]

Originally Posted by finalgrunt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We don't want to experience 3 am batphones no race 1 minute kills / trains / FTE sheningans. We want to experience classic EQ. And the only way would to be give smaller guilds a small window to do it. Which means you will continue to experience your non classic cuthroat competition (it goes well beyond, and we acknowledge your efforts) most of the time on non priority targets, and full times for others.

And you didn't really answer my question. Is this still too much to ask from a guild which had a free run for a year at the targets? Or is this all about pure greed? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty sure ive had those 3am batphones in classic, it happens. So was FTE, you never could just go in with another guild and try to ks the mob while they were engaged. If they wiped however, you were free to attempt. I'm not really sure what game you were playing, wasn't EQ. Join a raiding guild if you want it badly enough, or get yours to that stage. People always want what they can't have or get... lol, and when this happens they whine about it. cycle of life.

As for

Originally Posted by Finalgrunt

You're suggesting a guild to keep clearing close to a raid target (a.k.a poop socking) for few hours randomly, in hope the target pops and doesn't actually aggro and wipe the said guild? And that's if the top guilds don't decide to join the poop sock session, just in case? (We know they would do it, as proven in the past). No, we really need a 2nd league short window where we can compete reasonably.

This is everquest, you camp things.

[finalgrunt]

Originally Posted by Kieu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty sure ive had those 3am batphones in classic, it happens. So was FTE, you never could just go in with another guild and try to ks the mob while they were engaged. If they wiped however, you were free to attempt. I'm not really sure what game you were playing, wasn't EQ. Join a raiding guild if you want it badly enough, or get yours to that stage. People always want what they can't have or get... lol, and when this happens they whine about it. cycle of life.

As for

This is everquest, you camp things.

Sorry, but you do sound new here. Variance is not classic. It was added here to try to fix non classic involvment. Non classic raid scene means non classic EQ. Pretty much like duct tape, FTE disputes and David Copperfielding (and so much more that I won't discuss here). It's how the raid scene is, and it's here to stay. Ok fine. But don't talk about classic EQ if you don't know how both worked on Live and here.
Without the variance, I'm pretty sure small guilds would camp such things, since FTE rule would give everybody a chance to get it.
Smaller guild doesn't mean players who don't want to raid, or put some efforts. Far from it. It just means not ready to go to lengths some are willing to go. The request, is a favor to give us a chance to raid like it was on Live (at least for many servers), which was much more reasonable.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by finalgrunt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Variance is not classic.

I think this is really the root of the whole manner. The raiding scene had too many players, so Rogean intentionally upped the barrier to entry. The fix worked exactly as intended: 2/3 of the high-level players threw up in their mouths a little and walked away from the raid scene in disgust. Our constant irritation with this non-classic content overflows every month or two into another 'the raid-scene is broken thread'. At that point Sirken and various players from high-end guilds come in and says 'well, these guys don't mind getting up at 3 am/leaving the dinner table/joining a guild with 150 players in order to play our perverted version of classic everquest, why don't you do it too? You just want handouts!'

TL;DR: Since when is wanting classic everquest variances a handout? The people who want to maintain the current system that massively favors them are the ones that want handouts IMO

[Macarena]

I request from TMO permission for first try at the next VS with my mid range level raid guild. We have a level 25 shadowknight who will do the tanking and hopefully we can get our 2 level 19 shamans on a heal rotation (if they log in). Also please allow us two to three days to mobilize

[AenarieFenninRo]

Originally Posted by finalgrunt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Smaller guild doesn't mean players who don't want to raid, or put some efforts. Far from it. It just means not ready to go to lengths some are willing to go.

While I agree with your statement here, I did mention before going to SOME level of effort should be paramount as part of your planning. I'm not blasting your comment, or saying smaller guilds aren't allowed to raid, but the only things I have seen anyone talk about related to the level of effort the smaller guilds plan to go to is to race each other. I have not seen the proposals that you're willing to track a mob from 5-9 pm on weeknights, or anything of that sort.

Simply racing for a mob when you find out it happened to pop with the smaller guilds is not what I would consider to be a level of effort. Keep in mind when i say this, that the larger guilds may have then known mob X was up for 2 days before anyone in these smaller guilds happened to notice it based on the above.

Are the larger guilds then going to wait 2 days until someone in Div / Taken / BDA / GuildX notice the mob? Not likely. So then the other question arises, does LargeGuild announce to someone in Taken that mob X has spawned? Which guild do they notify? Do they play favorites? This amounts to the large guild then tracking FOR the small guild, with zero return on time investment.

This needs to be taken into consideration when this is all fleshed out.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by finalgrunt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or is this all about pure greed?

Yes.

[Fountree]

I now play on EQmac Deajay sometimes, I came around a few months ago... It's a great server in it's own way (I like to just chill and lvl casually). I can PM ya if u want we can play if u do get it [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] ...I play a BST with a Necro friend...we dont have plans to box though!

[quido]

Maybe we should all ask Eashan for Ferraris