ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by wts [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes I'd like a ruling from Sirken on this immediately. Do you still consider Preston tinfoily or just pure genius at this point? =)

depends on which specific video you are referring to as well. any theory he has thats based around the "no lemon trees in bravos" is straight up tinfoil. GRRM admitted Dany's back story changed a bit from book 1 to book 2, the lemon tree theory is crap.

also, i think the R+L=D & B+A=J theories are complete garbage as well. the timeline for Brandon and Ashara is sketchy at best. the R&L timeline is near perfect. im sure somehow Ashara was involved, or had knowledge of the Tower of Joy, but thats it.

im actually surprised he hasnt done a better set of videos regarding Young Griff's traveling companions. with one being for sure Jon Connington, i'd bet real good dollars that the septa with them is actually Ashara Dayne. that description is too good. furthermore, Connington left under the veil of being a disgrace, people might have a hard time believing him if he just showed up and said it was Rhaegars kid. but with Ashara Dayne, Connington can be cleared and Ashara can legitimize Young Griff as Aegon.

all that said, i really think Aegon could be a blackfyre and could be the son of Illyrio's wife.

but what do i know [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[AenorVZ]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

also, i think the R+L=D & B+A=J theories are complete garbage as well.

Okay if you say so. But if Jon is the holy savior then Neds internal monologue regarding him doesn't make sense. It also makes no sense that he did so little for Jon but moved heaven and earth for Dany.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by AenorVZ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay if you say so. But if Jon is the holy savior then Neds internal monologue regarding him doesn't make sense. It also makes no sense that he did so little for Jon but moved heaven and earth for Dany.

Yeah I won't call the theory garbage. But its really pushing the tin.

[holahouze]

Originally Posted by AenorVZ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay if you say so. But if Jon is the holy savior then Neds internal monologue regarding him doesn't make sense. It also makes no sense that he did so little for Jon but moved heaven and earth for Dany.

After i finished the first book, I went googling around looking for explanations for Ned's behavior (Ned's meeting with Cersei in the godswood was a turn-off for me). This is how i stumbled upon R+L=J. Gobsmacked. I then went back and read all of Ned's POVs to figure out what I'd missed. There's roughly 150 Ned POV pages, but really very little there. Just not much Jon in his internal monologue -- several thoughts that separate Jon from the kids; an opportunity or two to call Jon his son, but he doesn't. I guess we're left with Ned's honor sacrifice to protect Jon's true identity to be the ultimate sacrifice. For Dany, he was willing to sacrifice the position of Hand and Robert's friendship, but not his honor. I won't flip out if R+L=/=J, but I'm on-board with Jon being ice & fire.

[AenorVZ]

Yeah I'm not saying ambiguity = proof that Preston is right. But man, there's enough ambiguity there to drive a truck through.

[Patriam1066]

Well, I don't know if Preston is a genius, but I do think, given what GRRM has written in the past, that all of the "gods" in ASOIAF are manifestations of magic, telepathy, charlatanism, etc, rather than the actions / powers of real divine beings. Oh, and in case it wasn't clear, I'm giving credit to Preston's videos for me coming to that conclusion, since I've read none of Martin's previous novels.

[holahouze]

Theorycrafting from WIC... http://winteriscoming.net/2015/12/05...-resurrection/

Now, I know the first part will disappoint you, Azzar and wts, but try to keep an open mind. I'm down with the 2nd part, but would really prefer Mel had nothing to do with Jon's resurrection.

[wts]

What you think I'm worried Thorne is going to bite it on the show? Actually I can envision a scenario where Snow and Thorne play nice. Melly rez's Jon and he wakes up and is like "sorry I broke my vows dudes, but I died so I'm no longer night's watch so I do what I want" and takes off for Winterfell. Bloody revenge is kind of predictable, so I doubt they go that way. But like I said, Ghost gotta eat. If he snacks on Thorne, so be it. Not really invested in what happens on the show.

[holahouze]

Originally Posted by wts [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What you think I'm worried Thorne is going to bite it on the show? Actually I can envision a scenario where Snow and Thorne play nice. Melly rez's Jon and he wakes up and is like "sorry I broke my vows dudes, but I died so I'm no longer night's watch so I do what I want" and takes off for Winterfell. Bloody revenge is kind of predictable, so I doubt they go that way. But like I said, Ghost gotta eat. If he snacks on Thorne, so be it. Not really invested in what happens on the show.

Hey. Just kidding around - since we were just on that topic. I went back and read the first couple chapters of the first book the other day. I think Bloodraven communicated directly with Jon when he turned back to find Ghost. He's been helping Jon since the second chapter. I think Jon will end up doing whatever he learns from Bloodraven and/or Bran when he's out. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[wts]

You wear the tinfoil well =)