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[Irulan]

I'm pissed at the left right now. Especially for radicalizing me and wasting a solid 3yrs of my life.

[misterbonkers]

nice gish gallop

lots of false equivalences, but i'll break it down one by one

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So because you think someone is in the process of becoming a fascist, you punish them the same way you would an actual genocidal fascist?

you don't take antifascist action against someone who is "in the process of becoming", they already are if they're performing fascist actions.

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What if they evolve into something else entirely?

if they change their mind of fascism, you buy em a beer, and make a friend

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you really so confident on how a person becomes a genocidal maniac?

yes, we have historical proof to show us.

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By your same logic we should lock up every black male before they turn 18.

the claim that black male violence is on par with systematic violent removal of undesirables is telling

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You could argue that any conservative is a future Nazi or any leftist is a future Communist.

yeah, they could be. that's what radicalization is. they could also change their mind. which is the goal. fascism is a choice.

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Should we imprison leftists for speaking about wealth inequality because they're starting to sound like Communists?

nope. there's no crime in believing inequality is an issue and that a system that allows that inequality is bad.

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have you not seen Minority Report before?

i have, one of my favorite movies. wanted those 2 finger gloves as a teen.

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, these actions are all being carried out by a mob, without leadership. Mobs are incredibly unreliable and stupid. I'm actually amazed Antifa hasn't accused itself of being fascist.

antifa isn't a group. it's localized, unorganized, but united in purpose.

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

An American flag is a fascist symbol now? Really?

like a stalker saying "i love you" every 10 mins, the content of the message nor the act of the message is the problem. it's the effect of the context that matters. the flag isn't the issue. it's the effect him holding that flag at a fascist rally that matters.

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What do you think Antifa is fighting for? Are they not fighting for the US?

they're fighting against fascism, as implied by the name

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can leftists not carry American flags? Are they not allowed to show support for their country?

moot non-argument followup to an argument already covered two points above

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It amazes me that anyone supports Antifa at this time.

it's a response and counter to fascism. if fascism didn't exist, neither would antifa.

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you really think fascism is a problem, Antifa isn't the solution. At least not now. If anything, it's going to push us further into fascism.

sure, people already on the brink of fascist sympathy might be the straw that breaks the camel back, but if you force them back into hiding, you attempt to stop them from capitalizing on it.

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For fuck sake, Antifa was blamed for the Reichstag Fire and pushed people to give the Nazis power in Germany.

false flag is a tough thing to overcome, can't really be avoided, but it doesn't mean you should do nothing.

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So if anyone needs to learn history, it's Antifa.

see point above

[ScaringChildren]

Trump sings Slayer

[ScaringChildren]

A non-political video

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by America [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

militarizing the opposition to the machine that's building us our post-scarcity because of some unhinged and unrealistic fear of nazism imminently claiming the US is retard stuff. Escalating your real life political-aesthetic LARPing to violence is gay.

You are hardening lonely kids who took the frogpill to violence; you are hardening yourselves to violence. You are gross in this. Literally all we are seeing is chan culture manifest in real life. If you're actually freaking out about the prospect of goose-stepping Whites taking over (lol) then teach these kids how to meme, not how to build acid bombs.

Just wait 40 more years dude. Don't get me dragged out of my car and raped in some very temporary breakdown of law and order in my "politically engaged" city of teen LARPers.

As for socialism: this nerd says in the video that capitalism uses the threat of poverty and starvation for coercive/violent enforcement to make one work. lol. It's nature/God who does that. How does it not make you cringe to hear your fellow-travelers literally blame capitalism for human mortality? Our robots will kill Christ soon enough and human intellectual product and sexuality will be the final things to market; it will be fucking awesome. Chill with the training up young terrorists if you want to live to see it.

The two factions are

1. those who want to see the long road through
2. those who want to burn it down and rut with their fetishized comrade-girl in the mud

Option two is winning on both sides because it's more marketable. Patience is damn near non existent in kids today, and convienance is still championed. No wonder we're a lazy nation.

[Throndor]

Originally Posted by Irulan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want to prevent Fascism stop wasting all your money and time at Starbucks and your hipster hangouts. Go learn to shoot. Get fit. Invest in an herb garden. Save your money and get big one day on the coattails of a young genuis like Bill Gates.

If they did that, they would mature in the process, and outgrow their childish mentality therefore resolving their own dilemna.

[misterbonkers]

Originally Posted by Throndor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If they did that, they would mature in the process, and outgrow their childish mentality therefore resolving their own dilemna.

what's your thoughts on avocado toast, mr. p man

[Throndor]

Originally Posted by misterbonkers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what's your thoughts on avocado toast, mr. p man

Im pretty proud of all you guys for carrying on a cogent discussion in my stead while i was out charming the sweet sweet babes at my company christmas party last night. About time you all evolved the conversation into an intelligent discussion.

Cheers

[Throndor]

My girl wore a black cocktail dress with thigh high sailor moon bowed stockings last night. Shit was hot as fuck. Still drunk. Still reeling.

[ScaringChildren]

Originally Posted by misterbonkers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

nice gish gallop

lots of false equivalences, but i'll break it down one by one

It's really not, I'm making one basic point throughout my comment. You're just not used to having your ideology challenged.

Originally Posted by misterbonkers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you don't take antifascist action against someone who is "in the process of becoming", they already are if they're performing fascist actions.

Antifa attacks people who support freedom of speech. I wasn't aware that was a 'fascist' stance. These are people who have demonstrated in support of freedom of speech when a 2nd wave leftist feminist was deplatformed by Antifa.

They're not even close to being fascists.

Originally Posted by misterbonkers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if they change their mind of fascism, you buy em a beer, and make a friend

Yeah? You do that after you bash them over the head with a baseball bat, sending them to the hospital? How often does that work?

Originally Posted by misterbonkers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes, we have historical proof to show us.

I've never seen center-left people who support freedom of speech and expression become hard right genocidal fascists. Which period of history did that happen? I must've missed that.

Originally Posted by misterbonkers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the claim that black male violence is on par with systematic violent removal of undesirables is telling

I'm not even surprised you missed the analogy there. If you understood it, you probably wouldn't support Antifa.

Originally Posted by misterbonkers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah, they could be. that's what radicalization is. they could also change their mind. which is the goal. fascism is a choice.

So at what point do you start attacking people? You support attacking people to prevent fascism, so when do you start? If someone advocates for lower taxes?

Originally Posted by misterbonkers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

nope. there's no crime in believing inequality is an issue and that a system that allows that inequality is bad.

Do you seriously not understand this analogy? I'm trying to show you how it would be if the shoe was on the other foot.

Originally Posted by misterbonkers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i have, one of my favorite movies. wanted those 2 finger gloves as a teen.

Watch it again. There's a lesson to learn.

Originally Posted by misterbonkers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

antifa isn't a group. it's localized, unorganized, but united in purpose.

Yeah, not a group of people who wear red and black, with a logo and a shared purpose. Sorry, not a group.

Originally Posted by misterbonkers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

like a stalker saying "i love you" every 10 mins, the content of the message nor the act of the message is the problem. it's the effect of the context that matters. the flag isn't the issue. it's the effect him holding that flag at a fascist rally that matters.

Because individualism doesn't matter. Nuance doesn't exist. Right?

Originally Posted by misterbonkers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

they're fighting against fascism, as implied by the name

No, they're attacking random people all with individual political beliefs. If the mob attacks, it is done without question.

Originally Posted by misterbonkers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

moot non-argument followup to an argument already covered two points above

Yep, you covered it. "Fellow leftists fall in line or else you get attacked".

Originally Posted by misterbonkers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's a response and counter to fascism. if fascism didn't exist, neither would antifa.

You know what 'delusion' is, right? If fascism existed in the US, you wouldn't be able to demonstrate against it without being jailed/hunted down and killed.

Originally Posted by misterbonkers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

sure, people already on the brink of fascist sympathy might be the straw that breaks the camel back, but if you force them back into hiding, you attempt to stop them from capitalizing on it.

Well this study says you're wrong. Not only will you not convince fascists, you turn normal citizens against you with your violence. Because you are the only ones who perceive there is danger. Everyone else does not believe we live in a dictatorship.

Originally Posted by misterbonkers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

false flag is a tough thing to overcome, can't really be avoided, but it doesn't mean you should do nothing.

I'm not trusting the Nazis with telling the truth. It very well may have been a false flag.

What is true however, is that Antifa and the fascists were fighting in the streets leading up to that point and the citizens were tired of it. As the study I linked shows, they typically turn towards someone who offers a solution to the chaos.

Originally Posted by misterbonkers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

see point above

You didn't convince me.