Best 4 person all caster/priest group - Page 222

cd288 · #**2211** 09-09-2022, 04:01 PM

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Lack of reading. Again. I didn't invent this scenario. PlsNoBan is the guy who keeps claiming a group never wipes lol.

But surely any further discussion is irrelevant because you already agreed above that the best group is three enchanters and a cleric

So the shaman is irrelevant here. Glad we resolved that!

PlsNoBan · #**2212** 09-09-2022, 04:10 PM

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The fourth member is best served as someone who can provide safety, utility, and increased camp options.

So... Necromancer? Provides greater safety than you in the form of FD/EE Rez if playing in a bad group that wipes. Can also easily get you to camps not easily reachable via having the whole group die and flop drag them to a camp and rezzing the cleric. If you wipe with a shaman you're still running back from bind. Can also heal and do similar DPS. Provides utility that isn't redundant. Can bring enchanter level additional DPS to the group if undead mobs are available. Not to mention root, mez, twitches, better mana regen without having to canni (and therefore not cast other spells), fear, snare, better pet dps than shaman. List goes on.

If your group with 2 encs and a cleric is in danger of wiping (lol) and safety is actually your concern then necromancer is clearly superior and should be the obvious choice. Yet somehow it still seems to be shaman in your head. I wonder why that is? Maybe something to do with your completely ridiculous and illogical preference for the shaman class in every situation?

DeathsSilkyMist · #**2213** 09-09-2022, 04:15 PM

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So... Necromancer? Provides greater safety than you in the form of FD/EE Rez if playing in a bad group that wipes. Can also easily get you to camps not easily reachable via having the whole group die and flop drag them to a camp and rezzing the cleric. If you wipe with a shaman you're still running back from bind. Can also heal and do similar DPS. Provides utility that isn't redundant. Can bring enchanter level additional DPS to the group if undead mobs are available.

If your group with 2 encs and a cleric is in danger of wiping (lol) and safety is actually your concern then necromancer is clearly superior and should be the obvious choice. Yet somehow it still seems to be shaman in your head. I wonder why that is? Maybe something to do with your completely ridiculous and illogical preference for the shaman class in every situation?

Honestly it depends on the camp at that point. If you want to do Enchanter/Enchanter/Cleric/X, it would depend on what you want to do. Mage would be better for something like Chardok Royals, where CoTH is necessary. Necro would be better for pulling at Fungi King Camp. Shaman would be better at Ixiblat Fer for the better Malo -> Malosini -> Slow.

If you want everything at once, Shaman/Necro/Enchanter/Mage + pocket cleric would be the best. You hit the 200 DPS breakpoint, you have enough utility/safety to do every camp, and the Shaman can swap to the Cleric for res or occasional CH to save the Necro/Mage spell reagents. That is what OP ended up picking, possibly minus the pocket cleric.

cd288 · #**2214** 09-09-2022, 04:20 PM

No pocket cleric you’re just inventing variables at this point. It’s a 4 person caster only group, if you want a cleric it has to be one of the 4. As you said above the best would be three enchanters and a cleric, zero need for shaman in your own words

PlsNoBan · #**2215** 09-09-2022, 04:21 PM

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Honestly it depends on the camp at that point. If you want to do Enchanter/Enchanter/Cleric/X, it would depend on what you want to do. Mage would be better for something like Chardok Royals, where CoTH is necessary. Necro would be better for pulling at Fungi King Camp. Shaman would be better at Ixiblat Fer for the better Malo -> Malosini -> Slow.

If you want everything at once, Shaman/Necro/Enchanter/Mage + pocket cleric would be the best. You hit the 200 DPS breakpoint, you have enough utility/safety to do every camp, and the Shaman can swap to the Cleric for res or occasional CH to save the Necro/Mage spell reagents.

Okay so we've established shaman has no place in this hypothetical best 4 man caster group outside of a niche mob or two. You keep bringing up Ixiblat which is one of very few situations where I think shaman might be helpful.

There ya have it boys and girls. If you want the best 4 man caster group for Ixiblat and maybe 1-2 other things put a shaman in there. For 1-60 and 95% of everything else at 60 pick something else.

End of thread.

DeathsSilkyMist · #**2216** 09-09-2022, 04:21 PM

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No pocket cleric you’re just inventing variables at this point. It’s a 4 person caster only group, if you want a cleric it has to be one of the 4. As you said above the best would be three enchanters and a cleric, zero need for shaman in your own words

Nobody said you can't have a pocket Cleric. OP didn't specify this. Please stop making stuff up.

DeathsSilkyMist · #**2217** 09-09-2022, 04:22 PM

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Okay so we've established shaman has no place in this hypothetical best 4 man caster group outside of a niche mob or two. You keep bringing up Ixiblat which is one of very few situations where I think shaman might be helpful.

There ya have it boys and girls. If you want the best 4 man caster group for Ixiblat and maybe 1-2 other things put a shaman in there. For 1-60 and 95% of everything else at 60 pick something else.

End of thread.

Lol this is a very poor representation of what I said.

cd288 · #**2218** 09-09-2022, 04:22 PM

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Nobody said you can't have a pocket Cleric. Please stop making stuff up.

The whole topic of the thread is best 4 person caster group. Now you’re just making up reasons to take the shaman “well you could have a pocket cleric”. If no pocket cleric best group is three enchanters and a cleric, that’s what you said…or should I quote it for you?

DeathsSilkyMist · #**2219** 09-09-2022, 04:23 PM

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The whole topic of the thread is best 4 person caster group. Now you’re just making up reasons to take the shaman “well you could have a pocket cleric”. If no pocket cleric best group is three enchanters and a cleric, that’s what you said…or should I quote it for you?

Where does it say "Best 4 person all caster/priest group without a pocket cleric"?

PlsNoBan · #**2220** 09-09-2022, 04:24 PM

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Lol this is a very poor representation of what I said.

It's the corner you've backed yourself into. Shaman only makes sense in this group in a very very small group of niche encounters/camps. Sorry this hurts your feelings so badly. Shaman is a GOOD CLASS. You don't have to be so fucking defensive that it's not the best choice for this hypothetical. It'll be okay friend. You can put your head on your pillow tonight and rest easy knowing that shamans are the best ever. Just not for this particular situation.