Raid Changes

[Trimm]

Touche Hasbin, well played. Unfortunately I'll always have the one-up on you for being a halfling bandit!

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by Trimm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guineapig: Trimm is right

Bah, how dare you quote me agreeing with you in your sig! I was high! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Trimm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Touche Hasbin, well played. Unfortunately I'll always have the one-up on you for being a halfling bandit!

Naturally, but I find that Thibault cancels out Capo Ferro! Don't you?

[Taluvill]

I think the thing you guys are missing is its not that fact that we cant track things or we cant do what you guys are doing. We can. Its just tough to plan real life events around a schedule like this.

In classic EQ, you could plan around the boss spawns to a point. You can barely do that here. You can plan a 2 to 4 day window around certain bosses, and you have to be on call for all of those hours. You then, after getting that mob, have to be ready for the next one, 6 per week. Anyone who wants every mob and a chance at real life is kidding themselves.

We weren't and aren't trying to QQ and whatnot. We are trying to come up with a solution that would eliminate cheating, and promote the overall health of the server. The fact that you guys (IB) are so angry and immediately aggainst what we had to say is frightening to say the least.

The fact that people do not want to elave their kids baseball games, jump ship from work, or get out of bed with their wives to jump on a raid boss at whatever time it may be sucks. Sure. But what sucks even worse is that you guys are able to do that and give yourselves completely up to an emulator. Thats awesome that you guys got naggy #1 and naggy #3546. I mean it really makes you look cool dude. Hasbin, go to a bar, get a girl, and tell that girl that you cant go to dinner the next evening because you need to log onto a guild druid and track for a boss. Whats she gonna say?

All you guys did was jump on the post and troll immediately. Trying to incite emotions, and shoot everyone else down without actually adding anything constructive to something that was supposed to be a good, adult discussion. I find it sad that at the age of 18, I feel more mature than most of you here.

And hasbin, look at your sig again. Are you really embracing the "live in your mom's basement and forum troll" lifestyle? You're pathetic dude.

[Trimm]

Originally Posted by Taluvill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In classic EQ, you could plan around the boss spawns to a point. You can barely do that here.

I don't disagree with you. I just think a varied spawn timer gives everyone an equal chance at being the first to find a mob spawned and act accordingly.

Even if every player on the server knew Naggy will spawn at 10:22am Monday morning, you'll still have drama about who was there first and who trained who while clearing fire giants, etc etc. With the variance, there's seems to be more of a cut and dry 'who was there first' (to me at least). Again, there is no one solution that will be 100% fair to everyone, we're just working with the lesser of the evils.

Divinity has not killed Vox or Innoruuk due to the varied spawn time yet. We've had our chances and due to whatever reason at the time we couldn't gather the force needed to down these mobs before someone else did. It sucks, but I accept that as part of the game.

IB puts in the work and the hours required to have these mobs on lockdown. I'd love to be able to say they have GM help or use hacks, but it's simply not true. Every time I check Vox or Naggy on my tracker, IB is there waiting. If that's how they choose to spend their time in-game, then that's ok with me. They have been rewarded for that time spent tracking and camping mob spawns. I, along with a lot of my guildmates choose to spend our time doing other things, and it comes at the cost of not killing as many raid bosses.

I also think this is a temporary problem. Right now there are few enough real raid bosses that one dedicated guild can keep them on lockdown. Come Plane of Air and Kunark that will no longer be the case.

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by Trimm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I also think this is a temporary problem. Right now there are few enough real raid bosses that one dedicated guild can keep them on lockdown. Come Plane of Air and Kunark that will no longer be the case.

At the risk of agreeing with Trimm again, PoAir will indeed change everything.
When a guild is up there, they aren't going to be jumping off whatever Island they are on just to go kill Vox or maestro for the 100th time.

[Arkanjil]

I have to agree with Trimm....go ahead and quote that.

The point that you guys are missing is that this ISN'T WoW with instanced zones where you can pick and choose which mob to kill at whatever time. In original EQ as well as in this project if you weren't a dedicated raider, you didn't have a good chance to kill the big raid mobs.

The end game of EQ wasn't built to appeal to the casual player who only had a few hours per day to play....mobs just didn't give you that option.

IB chooses to spend their free time doing what the top end guild on any server would/has done: making sure they are online to kill the raid mobs. This isn't anything new and if you are looking for an easy way out then there is always WoW for you.

If you can't compete on the same level as IB, bow your head and admit defeat. If you want to kill a raid mob, put in the dedication that those guys do and you might possibly get your kill. Also, stop putting out the notion that people in IB or whatever guilds have no lives. I bet if you look at the time played, they put in the same hours as any other person on this server. They just pick and choose the time to play when a raid mob spawns.

Putting raid mobs on a static spawn would not solve anything, it would just cause even MORE problems than there already is due to arguments over who got there first and guilds training other guilds.

Stop QQing in an attempt to build your post count!

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by Trimm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't disagree with you. I just think a varied spawn timer gives everyone an equal chance at being the first to find a mob spawned and act accordingly.

Even if every player on the server knew Naggy will spawn at 10:22am Monday morning, you'll still have drama about who was there first and who trained who while clearing fire giants, etc etc. With the variance, there's seems to be more of a cut and dry 'who was there first' (to me at least). Again, there is no one solution that will be 100% fair to everyone, we're just working with the lesser of the evils.

Disagreements are always gonna be struck, but drama does not have to prevail everywhere. lets start acting like adults, and respect each other in game, without GMs having to babysit us over any dispute, which is what is happening anyways with vague spawn variance rules.

Divinity has not killed Vox or Innoruuk due to the varied spawn time yet. We've had our chances and due to whatever reason at the time we couldn't gather the force needed to down these mobs before someone else did. It sucks, but I accept that as part of the game.

as does Transcendence.

IB puts in the work and the hours required to have these mobs on lockdown. I'd love to be able to say they have GM help or use hacks, but it's simply not true. Every time I check Vox or Naggy on my tracker, IB is there waiting. If that's how they choose to spend their time in-game, then that's ok with me. They have been rewarded for that time spent tracking and camping mob spawns. I, along with a lot of my guildmates choose to spend our time doing other things, and it comes at the cost of not killing as many raid bosses.

yes indeed, IB is master campers, once again, congrats. lets take it to the next level for them then, and increase camping time, to actually give them a challenge, since they are masters in this field.

I also think this is a temporary problem. Right now there are few enough real raid bosses that one dedicated guild can keep them on lockdown. Come Plane of Air and Kunark that will no longer be the case.

I wanna agree with you, but i believe the dramafest will continue with the current system, until we can start acting like adults, and GMs leave it be for classical purposes. Earn your respect in game, and be respected by others.

[Wrei]

Originally Posted by Taluvill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the thing you guys are missing is its not that fact that we cant track things or we cant do what you guys are doing. We can. Its just tough to plan real life events around a schedule like this.

In classic EQ, you could plan around the boss spawns to a point. You can barely do that here. You can plan a 2 to 4 day window around certain bosses, and you have to be on call for all of those hours. You then, after getting that mob, have to be ready for the next one, 6 per week. Anyone who wants every mob and a chance at real life is kidding themselves.

We weren't and aren't trying to QQ and whatnot. We are trying to come up with a solution that would eliminate cheating, and promote the overall health of the server. The fact that you guys (IB) are so angry and immediately aggainst what we had to say is frightening to say the least.

The fact that people do not want to elave their kids baseball games, jump ship from work, or get out of bed with their wives to jump on a raid boss at whatever time it may be sucks. Sure. But what sucks even worse is that you guys are able to do that and give yourselves completely up to an emulator. Thats awesome that you guys got naggy #1 and naggy #3546. I mean it really makes you look cool dude. Hasbin, go to a bar, get a girl, and tell that girl that you cant go to dinner the next evening because you need to log onto a guild druid and track for a boss. Whats she gonna say?

All you guys did was jump on the post and troll immediately. Trying to incite emotions, and shoot everyone else down without actually adding anything constructive to something that was supposed to be a good, adult discussion. I find it sad that at the age of 18, I feel more mature than most of you here.

And hasbin, look at your sig again. Are you really embracing the "live in your mom's basement and forum troll" lifestyle? You're pathetic dude.

So your lecturing us to get a life when your the very same guild who sat in front of nag for 14+hours (and want to make 24+hour camps).? Look we ALL play this game far too much (more then we should). Nobody is arguing that playing EQ is good for RL (whether it's emulated or not).

If I had a choice however between racing to a mob against "willing the other guild to quit" by sitting in front of a boss 24hour+ it really isn't hard for me to
choose. Give it time and each guild will get more then its share of bosses, when more content gets introduced it will be even more evident. Your the only guild that just keeps crying to get a boss handed to you on a silver platter. You want to raid? Fine then do the work like the rest of us (not just IB), stop whining get even.

[Trimm]

Trimm vs. Hasbinbad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OsRePNS4pk