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Old 09-08-2011, 10:53 AM
murrayh81 murrayh81 is offline
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Actually, MQ developers are without a doubt working on something undetectable by Rogean's code. Fewer will cheat knowing the risk but this is not the end of cheating.
QFT. This appears to be a classic 80/20 circumstance. For a while, whatever was being done to cheat was undetectable. The hard-core cheaters (~20%), who likely live their lives that way, are working or asking for new cheating tools, or probing to find work-arounds.

The ~80% who only did it because everyone they knew was doing it without getting caught or punished were what the GMs were probably trying to save.

So, by not treating everyone as the 20%'er, the staff now has to devote extra resources and effort to keeping ahead of the hard-core cheaters. I applaud their decision to give a break to some who no doubt were drawn in by peer pressure or loyalty to their friends. The punishment dealt is probably sufficient to keep them rolling straight.

Unfortunately, the threat is not gone, and hopefully the GMs/Devs will the arms race in future.

As one new to Project 1999, I have to say that this has not deterred me from coming on board, because this server is what I have been looking for since I quit Live. I see a lot of passionate people here on these boards and making posts in this thread, and I have met a lot of pleasant folks online, so the darkness of this event has not obscured the game.
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Old 09-08-2011, 11:34 AM
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so 1 (one) guy was caught back the day and got banned and his guild received a vaction from raiding, shit happens pal.

now, 365 (threehundredsixtyfive) ppl have been caught and all you want is a "revenge" for the past neglecting all other cheaters who have been caught too.

ok, iam all for that, but then again lets be 100% fair, do we?

what happens to the rest of those other threehundredfifty+ cheaters ? are we going to set every guild on raidvacation? i bet all my rl money that every single major guild had hackers in them (tmo included). i dont give a fuck if someone was an officer, leader, regularmember, a honorary member or the mascot of the guild cause a cheater is a cheater is a cheater is a cheater.

i would completely concur with you, if only (read: ONLY) TR would have been caught but in this exceptional circumstance of 365 busted cheaters u just cant blame 1-2ppl of 1 guild alone.

bottom line, it just can get better from now on since p99staff apparently found something viable to hunt them cheaters down. gj again rogean, secrets & nil.
Mitic the fact of the matter is buddy, there were probably 365+ cheaters when koota was caught... just not at the same time.Why should the punishment be different?

The reasoning the guild was raid suspended in the first instance was because an OFFICER was caught and should be held to a higher regard as he represents the guild and is a LEADER of the guild. The second instance was a member and the guild was told they were "harboring cheaters" by nilbog himself. (Talk about 1 sided opinion)

I agree that the 365+ accounts should be perma banned as well as the IP's of those users. But I'm a conservative minded kind of guy.

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Old 09-08-2011, 11:41 AM
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This picture > your assumption that anyone, least of all the owners of this project, gives two shits about your opinion.

How many times have you been suspended on P99 Bronson? You're hardly a shining example of someone who upholds the rules.

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This guy is just a noob troll... He hates himself irl. /ignore

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Old 09-08-2011, 11:53 AM
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I think alot of people with 500+ posts here tend to be self-serving by default...

I made a poll about the subject at hand. Bantering about the decision beyond just releasing frustration if you have it is unproductive.

Here is the bottom-line x7:
1)People came here for classic EQ as it was advertised. If the Devs/Gms say they are going to stop cheating, I believe them. If I didn't I would not play anymore. If you do not believe them, then why play the game that they control?

2)Never in the history of decisions is everyone happy after one is made.

3)Cheaters are now going to be targets by everyone, not just Devs/Gms. If I see something strange I will report it. Use 3rd party programs at your own risk. If they do not benefit you, getting booted for them is going to suck isn't it?

4)Guilds who have officers that cheat might want to reconsider that policy.

5)If you cheated to get an item or Plat, you are not playing the game.

6)If you do not cheat to get an item or plat, you are playing the game.

7) If playing this game brings you frustration, anger and stress there is most likely something better to do with your time. (I guarantee the longer you think about that the more sense it will make.)

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This all being said, I do not feel throwing up topics like this in Server chat is appropriate. Many people do it to bait others, spread rumor, especially over hot topics and everyone knows better. Hasinbad, opening up a discussion in Sever Chat about quashing discussions so new members aren't alienated falls into this category. The moment you wrote the title of the thread, you became a hypocrite.
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Old 09-08-2011, 01:40 PM
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4)Guilds who have officers that cheat might want to reconsider that policy.
Why? Apparently, guilds aren't held accountable for their leaders actions anymore.

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Old 09-08-2011, 01:48 PM
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noone will ever risk to use mq again except those newcomers not knowing about the latest events
As already stated this is false. I would be very surprised if there is not already a work around for their hack detection.
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Old 09-08-2011, 01:50 PM
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What I think it kind of funny is that people "think" they know this or that. Well, I guess we will just see.
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Old 09-08-2011, 02:05 PM
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I think this thread is good for upping post counts.
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Old 09-08-2011, 02:42 PM
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Come on Hasbinbad, let's keep this thread on topic.
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Old 09-08-2011, 02:43 PM
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2) Never in the history of decisions is everyone happy after one is made.
Well said.
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