Xzerion says TR isn't shown favoritism?

[Koota]

Sorry im late

[Waffen]

Originally Posted by Foxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

pvp could fix this

nope. please insert coin and try again.

[Asher]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, we do have patch day repops here sometimes, though not as often as Live. They're also really fun. Just throwing that out there.

I think this is a great idea and I have been having a lot of fun on the recent repop days.

Asher

[Metallikus]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They didn't happen every week; see this page: http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/19992002.php. Live had roughly 2.18 patches every month. It wasn't a weekly scheduled thing; it was something that happened fairly randomly, so sometimes you'd get two patches within a week, and sometimes you'd only get one in an entire month. Moreover, the reason why there were no variances is of no consequence - the point is that in classic EQ, no mobs had four day windows and no one had to waste their lives sitting on a tracker for an average of 48 hours a week per raid mob.

nobody has to do it here either.

[Enygma]

Originally Posted by Fraggle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By your logic, using Tubban as an example, then all raid guilds should be suspended from raiding as per:

Tubban was using MQ2 in LGuk while Dark Ascension were camping in Naggy's lair.. there was a dispute between DA and TR about who had 15 players on the spawn first. IT was found that Tubban was using MQ2 during this investigation. Tubban had nothing to do with the raid force in Nagafen's lair, nor did he provide DA any advantage as he never had anything to do with strategizing or other instruction, he showed up he played when he did.... All I really remember him raiding was sky but meh, that's beside the point.

The reason Dark Ascension was issued a second raid suspension due to Tubban using MQ2 was this: It was Dark Ascension's second offence of using third party programs within the guild in a span of 2 weeks. Koota had been caught two (2) weeks prior and Dark Ascension was raid suspended. When the GM's found Tubban cheating they said DA was "harboring cheaters". Nilbog came on to tell Durison that DA needed better recruiting standards and it was the fault of the guild again.

As a result Dark Ascension created a recruitment guild called Shadow Rising to appease the GM's. This guild consisted of recruits and alternate characters. Only main characters were allowed into Dark Ascension.

In essence, I believe the second raid suspension would not have been handed out had Dark Ascension not just been suspended from raiding for Koota's infraction. As per the reasoning provided.

A third suspension was also threatened when Dark Ascension beat TR on Dojorn in SKy and new rules were created on the spot about 15 on the spawn point for a NON-KOS mob. (THis point has been dealt with in a separate thread and has nothing to do with cheating but thought it was an interesting point).

During DA's raid suspension the first time, TR got a clean sweap of everything. When DA returned to raiding the next week, they got a clean sweap of everything. When DA was suspended on Tubban's infraction, TR got another clean sweap. TR was going through a rough patch and was having difficulty competing with DA at this time. A lot of their veteran member's had grown bored and people like Gwence/Alfie were getting banned for training.

There is a clear pattern here but I'll leave it to you to make your own conclusions.

Sworen

[Enygma]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, none of our pullers (bards) were flagged.

um... Stefan?

Sworen

[Thatguy05]

Originally Posted by Enygma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tubban was using MQ2 in LGuk while Dark Ascension were camping in Naggy's lair.. there was a dispute between DA and TR about who had 15 players on the spawn first. IT was found that Tubban was using MQ2 during this investigation. Tubban had nothing to do with the raid force in Nagafen's lair, nor did he provide DA any advantage as he never had anything to do with strategizing or other instruction, he showed up he played when he did.... All I really remember him raiding was sky but meh, that's beside the point.

The reason Dark Ascension was issued a second raid suspension due to Tubban using MQ2 was this: It was Dark Ascension's second offence of using third party programs within the guild in a span of 2 weeks. Koota had been caught two (2) weeks prior and Dark Ascension was raid suspended. When the GM's found Tubban cheating they said DA was "harboring cheaters". Nilbog came on to tell Durison that DA needed better recruiting standards and it was the fault of the guild again.

As a result Dark Ascension created a recruitment guild called Shadow Rising to appease the GM's. This guild consisted of recruits and alternate characters. Only main characters were allowed into Dark Ascension.

In essence, I believe the second raid suspension would not have been handed out had Dark Ascension not just been suspended from raiding for Koota's infraction. As per the reasoning provided.

A third suspension was also threatened when Dark Ascension beat TR on Dojorn in SKy and new rules were created on the spot about 15 on the spawn point for a NON-KOS mob. (THis point has been dealt with in a separate thread and has nothing to do with cheating but thought it was an interesting point).

During DA's raid suspension the first time, TR got a clean sweap of everything. When DA returned to raiding the next week, they got a clean sweap of everything. When DA was suspended on Tubban's infraction, TR got another clean sweap. TR was going through a rough patch and was having difficulty competing with DA at this time. A lot of their veteran member's had grown bored and people like Gwence/Alfie were getting banned for training.

There is a clear pattern here but I'll leave it to you to make your own conclusions.

Sworen

Its called favoritsm and their sandbox, most likely goblin and whoever else ( xz a former dev ) is in the said guild getting less to no punishment for the same flaws thats happened to other guilds in the past

[Shiftin]

Originally Posted by Enygma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

um... Stefan?

Sworen

Stefen has not been a member of TR since April 30th. Please quit getting your information from tiggles and loly.

[mitic]

hi sworen bro

[G13]

Originally Posted by Gwence [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have no friends so it's not surprising you're all for sending them to the gallows. Your high and mighty approach leaves alot to be desired though since you were a major piece of trash during your day, not that I ever complained about it aside from the random RnF forum back and forth topics.

This is pure emotion, obfuscation, and hyperbole. Again, I don't care about your feelings or your friends. Your raid leader/officer cheated during a competitive raid. He broke the rules. You are defending him "because he is your friend". We are not in high school anymore. This is not a popularity contest. Server rules are not put in place to cater to how Gwence feels.

If an officer/tracker/raid leader uses ShowEQ during competitive raid encounters, their guild should suffer the same punishment. These are the rules and the precedent for this punishment has been set prior by Rogean. What I want to know is why is Rogean not abiding by his own rules and raid suspending your guild for a minimum of 2 weeks. Rogean the community demands an explanation for this obvious double standard.

If TMO officer accounts have been caught by this "hack sweep", then make that information public and inflict the same punishment on them. If you have direct evidence against TMO officers proving they cheat beyond an accusation, then provide that information. Perun admitted his guilt. It's beyond refute.

You're also assuming I'm defending TMO here, which is not the case. Based on the evidence that has been presented though, TMO officers are completely innocent and have been vindicated. TMO officers are playing by the rules. TR/IB is not. So why don't you give me a good reason why your guild shouldn't be raid suspended for at least 2 weeks beyond the flimsy excuse that they "are your friends".

It's not my stigma or emotions I am talking about, I guess you can't read well or comprehend what I said, I dont know. It's there stigma, not mine, there's. Is that clear?

This entire discussion between us has been about how Gwence feels. Not reality. Gwence doesn't abandon his pals, so his pals should be allowed to cheat is basically what you've been saying behind the insults. Because Gwence "feels" a certain way, we're all supposed to just suck it up and allow P99 to be a corrupted box filled with cheaters or something. All the time and effort people have put into their characters, which is considerable, is not as important as Gwence's feelings. The last time I checked, the server doesn't revolve around the way TR/IB membership feels.

Or does it Rogean? I would like a clarification please.

Rogean you know what you need to do. Do the right thing and take the appropriate action.

Your feelings are irrelavent Gwence. You're more concerned about the reputation of hackers and cheaters than you are of the overall health and integrity of the server. Every IB/TR member apparently shares your view which is a sad narrative on how low your guild has sunk. I've yet to see an IB/TR member speak out against your leadership's corruption. Not one.

As long as you stand to gain from your guildmates cheating, you excuse/rationalize it. This is why this server is the way it is. Children like you are running the asylum, and now apparently Rogean has just handed you the keys by allowing this to stand. Uthgaard was the only mechanism left in place that gave this server any credibility/impartiality.

It's sad to see how low the server has sunk. You have people openly defending and excusing cheaters on the forums. When P99 was first created, it was done so with promises that this behavior would not be tolerated under any circumstances. That it would be a fair and level playing field here, since most EMUs are corrupt boxes filled with hackers and cheaters. It's possible that they ran this secret hack sniffing under the impression they would find different results. What we've been witnessing is damage control to keep the server at the status quo potentially. I don't really see any other possible explanation for the blatant double standard and coddling TR/IB is being given here after their officers have been caught cheating.

If you're not going to ban these accounts permanently or wipe the server clean, than wipe those accounts clean, including their characters. Raid suspend the guilds whose officers were caught using exploits during competitive raids. This goes for all guilds whose officers have been found guilty. If an officer is caught again, disband the guild permanently. That's the only way this server will ever gain it's reputation back again beyond just another corrupted box.