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[Evia]

Originally Posted by Ekco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what being raised mormon can do to a motherfucker...

also, just noticed this looking at his steam profile, lulz.

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I was born and raised in Utah with a highly mormon upbringing.
While I do agree the mormon/lds religion is corrupt, I'm SO thankful for the culture it raised me in.
I didn't realize how awesome it was until I moved out of state, and recognized how fucking mean and cold most people were.

Yeah, sure, most of utah/mormon culture is painting on a "fake" face of kindness, but tbh, I'll take that over a culture where nobody speaks to one another and everyone is cold af to anyone they don't know.

Traveling to other states and countries showed me that, while definitely not perfect, mormon culture is top tier.

Jesus is the way. Just, unfortunately, truth still breeds corruption.

My life before knowing Jesus was the most lonesome feeling ever. I resented the christian religions because my brother was gay and I didnt think he deserved damnation because of it. I don't want that for any of you, I don't want that for anyone else here on earth. Idk why Jesus came to me exactly, but I do know he's real. I do know he's going to get us back home, and spare us from death. I just don't know how to share that with other people.

[Evia]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd put a son in Utah, but not a daughter. Would have go to Utah myself for her sake.

I find it difficult to argue with you on this point. My wife, who was also raised in UT with a similar mormon upbringing as myself, has immense trauma with her sexuality because of mormon ideology. It's taken us 20+ years to help her heal from it all. How/why? You might ask? Because she feels immense shame whenever she feels pleasure from sex. Only recently has she "allowed" herself to enjoy anything sexual within our marriage because the mormon culture gave her the impression that simply enjoying sex somehow made her "unholy"

This aspect of the religion, and any other that are similar, I do see as problematic. Idk why we can't both agree to Christ's love and salvation while also simultaneously recognizing that sex is enjoyable.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Evia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Idk why we can't both agree to Christ's love and salvation while also simultaneously recognizing that sex is enjoyable.

Because established religions (and not just the Christian ones) lean heavily conservative. The more established they are, the more likely they will lean that way.

And this isn't even just a religious thing: any type of group (even "liberal" political parties) will tend to become more conservative over time. The whole point of the group is to keep doing things their way ... which increasingly puts them against doing things any new way.

Originally Posted by Conservative, dictionary definition

averse to change or innovation and holding traditional values.

Now, if you actually read the Christian Bible (many Christians don't), it's undeniable that Christ was incredibly "liberal": he didn't want to preserve his society or take it backwards, he wanted to bring (massively) new ideas and changes.

In fact, the foundational Christian myth is probably the most famous story ever written of conservatives killing someone for being too liberal.

Originally Posted by Liberal, dictionary definition

willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.

In the past, women were closer to being property than people, and control of their sexuality was a key part of that (see female genital mutilation for a non-Christian example). You can't go back to the way things were (eg. where women stayed in the kitchen) without also having the societal control over their sexuality.

So the answer to "why we can't both agree to Christ's love and salvation while also simultaneously recognizing that sex is enjoyable" is that maybe once upon a time Christ's love and salvation was all anyone cared about ... but then they tried to codify that, and turn it into an institution that would preserve liberal Christian values.

However, because of the way we humans are wired, the very act of creating a long-standing institution went directly against that very goal.

[sammoHung]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And this isn't even just a religious thing: any type of group (even "liberal" political parties) will tend to become more conservative over time. The whole point of the group is to keep doing things their way ... which increasingly puts them against doing things any new way.

This. It's human nature. We like things the way they are and don't want them to change. It took most of us decades to adapt to life the way it is, and rapid change scares us.

In any group where there is a power dynamic - it's amplified. Change means a potential of losing your grip on power. So you thwart change - and the surefire way to do this is with fear of going to hell.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And this isn't even just a religious thing: any type of group (even "liberal" political parties) will tend to become more conservative over time. The whole point of the group is to keep doing things their way ... which increasingly puts them against doing things any new way.

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[Ekco]

99% of mormons are great people

y'alls college kids invented soaking which is beyond fucking crazy as a loophole though.

sexual repression is the actual problem, and this kid's "deal" is only partial explained by his upbringing, it sure as fuck didn't help matters though.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by Ekco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

sexual repression is the actual problem, and this kid's "deal" is only partial explained by his upbringing, it sure as fuck didn't help matters though.

Yeah, religion is dumb because [sexual repression]. Meanwhile in atheist land:

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Something something, the devil has a sense of humor and uses funny little tricks, every time. .

[Ekco]

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Yeah, religion is dumb because [sexual repression]. Meanwhile in atheist land:

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imma go out on a limb and suggest r/askwomen, tiktok and the BBC might not be the best source of truth in these troubling times.

people be fucking, i'm pretty sure.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Ekco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

sexual repression is the actual problem, and this kid's "deal" is only partial explained by his upbringing, it sure as fuck didn't help matters though.

the actually awesome Christofascist in our discord says that sexualizing children is what postmodernism teaches to prevent them from growing up to be Nazis.

[Ekco]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well when a male phone and a female phone love each other very much and spend 10-30 minutes at the same geolocation...

yeah, that sounds like it would be incredibly accurate actually.

Originally Posted by Ekco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and this kid's "deal" is only partial explained by his upbringing, it sure as fuck didn't help matters though.

It seems a guy with an extensive flag collection took blaming this kid's upbringing a little too much to heart this morning, i hate to see unhinged infighting among the sects.