Iksar Shaman - Solo Challenges?

[Troxx]

lol

For those late to the party:

Regen > FSI

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol

For those late to the party:

Regen > FSI

Troxx has already admitted that FSI is the Min/Max option, as he agrees Vindi BP is better than Fungi Tunic with Torpor. The same logic is used to compare FSI and Iksar/Troll Regen with Torpor. The random chance of reducing damage spikes is superior to the passive regeneration options available on a Torpor Shaman.

Thanks for agreeing!

[Troxx]

Did I say vindi bp was better ]than fungi? That’s not what I said at all. In the context of the power of torpor, my statement was literally:

“They don't need a fungi tunic - drop it for vindi bp
They don't have to obsess about keeping regrowth up - it is LESS (but not entirely) relevent.
It's why a barbarian shaman at 60 functions so well. If regen was that important, a barbarian shaman would not be successful - but they are”

Is not having regrowth better than having it up? No
Are barbarians the strongest shaman race? No
After torpor do you NEED to keep that fungi? No - you could swap it for a Vindi

Did I say Vindi was better than fungi? … no I actually did not

Once again you failed to see the forest instead of the isolated tree.

Concrete thinker much?

Re-read the whole posts. The discussion. The meat and potatoes …

C’mon man, rub them brain cells together.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did I say Vindi was better than fungi?

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They don't need a fungi tunic - drop it for vindi bp

Yes, you did. I am not sure why you think this would mean otherwise. Chances are a Shaman would have a Fungi Tunic before a Vindi BP. So why would they "drop it for vindi bp" in the first place?

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

C’mon man, rub them brain cells together.

Indeed. Please do. I am not sure why you are trying to claim Vindi BP isn't better than Fungi Tunic, but you can "drop it for vindi bp". If Regeneration is always better, why would you "drop it for vindi bp" at all? Nobody is claiming you stated this out of the context of Torpor either. It was clear you are talking about a Shaman with Torpor. That is Min/Max, which is what we are discussing.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Concrete thinker much?

TroxxMD.com at work again. Everything is "autism" when someone disagrees with Troxx.

[Troxx]

/facepalm

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

/facepalm

If you want to claim that you simply typed this sentence poorly:

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They don't need a fungi tunic - drop it for vindi bp

I will certainly give you the benefit of the doubt. Let's clear this up.

Please explain why you can swap Fungi Tunic for Vindi BP once you have Torpor, but at the same time Vindi BP is not as good as Fungi Tunic, which a Shaman will probably have before Vindi BP?

As far as I can tell, you are at the point where you have to play semantic word games in an attempt to try and be correct. It's ok to admit you are wrong.

[Troxx]

My point was simple: torpor is so overpowered that the class has limitless flexibility. It’s why barbarian shamans - who have neither racial perk - find so much success.

It had nothing to do with a relative value of FSI vs innate continuous regeneration levels 1-59 and even at 60 with torpor.

I went out on a limb to talk to you like an adult. To tell you that your argument is not without merit. To communicate to you that I do actually understand the point you are making.

And what did you do?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Troxx has already admitted that FSI is the Min/Max option, as he agrees Vindi BP is better than Fungi Tunic with Torpor. The same logic is used to compare FSI and Iksar/Troll Regen with Torpor. The random chance of reducing damage spikes is superior to the passive regeneration options available on a Torpor Shaman.

Thanks for agreeing!

About the most childish way of proceeding with the discussion. You picked a single tee out of the forest with blatant disregard to the point that was actually being made. You put words in my mouth.

I’ll be honest, I didn’t expect better from you. You met my expectations. The predictability of your response would be funny if it weren’t so sad. You just continue to prove my suspicions about you to likely be correct.

You do you man.

Everyone else can see it for what it is.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You tried Troxx. I respect the effort.

You haven't been reading the thread it seems. I've countered his points, and he has exposed his trolling nature multiple times. He cannot help himself.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My point was simple: torpor is so overpowered that the class has limitless flexibility. It’s why barbarian shamans - who have neither racial perk - find so much success.

It had nothing to do with a relative value of FSI vs innate continuous regeneration levels 1-59 and even at 60 with torpor.

I went out on a limb to talk to you like an adult. To tell you that your argument is not without merit. To communicate to you that I do actually understand the point you are making.

And what did you do?

About the most childish way of proceeding with the discussion. You picked a single tee out of the forest with blatant disregard to the point that was actually being made. You put words in my mouth.

I’ll be honest, I didn’t expect better from you. You met my expectations. The predictability of your response would be funny if it weren’t so sad. You just continue to prove my suspicions about you to likely be correct.

You do you man.

Everyone else can see it for what it is.

You claim I am being childish, but you forget these posts that you made earlier:

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This is your normal behavior. You troll, you insult, you act like a child, and you get backed into a corner because you cannot admit you were wrong. Then you try to post a wall of nonsense to try and save face.

Thanks for admitting you are wrong. You still cannot explain why a Shaman would use Vindi BP in the first place if it isn't better than Fungi Tunic. It is commonly accepted that Vindi BP is BiS for Shamans, so this isn't a tough question. But you have realized that once you explain it, you will show that you don't have a basis for your claims about Regen.

[bcbrown]

You tried Troxx. I respect the effort.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You tried Troxx. I respect the effort.

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