In case you had any doubt about the Democrat agenda

[unsunghero]

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Which I think is a good indicator of how trying for equity of outcome just doesn’t work. Because if we wanted equity of outcome on anything, you think it would be on the thing that results in less humans existing

[robayon]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In terms of seeing abortions as population control, it results in:

Much less poor people

Moderately less middle class

A bit less rich people

(If we are talking about who are the highest utilizers of abortions)

Isn't this just eugenics by another name?

I think the stratification you are indicating here kind of suggests at the real problem. Addressing economic issues that the poor and "middle class" struggle with might also reduce the total number of abortions... since you mentioned equity of outcome

[Ooloo]

I love how I always end up arguing against abortion as if I'm a hardcore prolife christian, but I do support 1st trimester abortions and all the usual fringe exceptions like rape\incest.

Also I think it's important to remember just because a lower middle and upper class exist, doesn't mean that there's no mobility between them. I mean sure, some people get stuck in a cycle and need help, but *lots* of people start out poor and end up middle class or rich in america. I think that will always be the case, but certainly instances of corruption or discrimination keeping anyone in a state of poverty should be addressed. Class stratification is just a natural byproduct of a meritocracy (with safety nets), which is kind of the best system we've got despite the flaws.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by robayon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Isn't this just eugenics by another name?

I think the stratification you are indicating here kind of suggests at the real problem. Addressing economic issues that the poor and "middle class" struggle with might also reduce the total number of abortions... since you mentioned equity of outcome

Ya, population control I think always ends up having a eugenics element. Gets even uglier when we start looking at which class AND race gets the most abortions done

For sure changing the numbers of poor would result in less abortions of the poor. But there will probably always still be some poor, and those will probably always have the highest utilization rate (as % of population) of abortions

And until we change the numbers, and even after we change the numbers, it still has a eugenics kinda element to it, whether intended or not

Edit: This is why I don’t think we’ll see many Dem politicians phrasing abortions as population control. Because a follow up question of “which class and race population is being most controlled then?” is not a question they would want to go on record answering

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Abortion is one of the few things I vehemently disagree with conservatives on.

We got plenty of unwanted kids as is. As this point, population control is going to be a necessary thing as natural resources become increasingly scarce.

Now, I'm not saying terminations at 6, 7, 8 months is OK...but if its early on and the mother / family is incapable (mentally, financially, whatever)...why burden the system even further?

Its just repubs catering to the devout religious idiots, I know...but one would think at this point there could be more votes gained than lost by softening the stance on abortion these days. There are a lot more moderate women than hardcore Christians.

wrong.

you've been brainwashed into thinking murder is a choice that defines freedom.

what we're building in the lab is a way to genetically remove YOU from the gene pool and we start by getting rid of the poor babies.

Im sorry you've been brainwashed by libtards to think that going to jail for shooting your neighbor in the face with a shotgun because you feel like it is taking away your freedom

[Gravydoo II]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wrong.

you've been brainwashed into thinking murder is a choice that defines freedom.

what we're building in the lab is a way to genetically remove YOU from the gene pool and we start by getting rid of the poor babies.

Im sorry you've been brainwashed by libtards to think that going to jail for shooting your neighbor in the face with a shotgun because you feel like it is taking away your freedom

No. You're allowed to decide you dont want a booger in your nose. When the "baby" is the same constistancy and size of a booger, thats not a fucking baby. How come you dont have kids Jib since you're so passionate about lib brainwashing??

How come you havent adopted??

Because you dont believe your own bullshit. Go adopt a fucking kid then come talk to us about abortions.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gravydoo II [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No. You're allowed to decide you dont want a booger in your nose. When the "baby" is the same constistancy and size of a booger, thats not a fucking baby. How come you dont have kids Jib since you're so passionate about lib brainwashing??

How come you havent adopted??

Because you dont believe your own bullshit. Go adopt a fucking kid then come talk to us about abortions.

This is exactly the same argument Nazis made about Jews. "They aren't people, so it's OK!". Pretty chilling to see this in 2022.

[Ooloo]

Gravy still ignoring that many prominent dems support allowing abortion up to and including the delivery date, at which point the baby is clearly a human, not a booger.

The dems accuse the right of "life at conception" being a magic trick. Meanwhile they have their own magic trick, which is "life begins when you exit a vagina". Like, okay, what about when you're half way out? Are you half alive?

[Jibartik]

The guy obviously hasn't read my 12 thousand posts and is clearly off his rocker.

Gravy, you really chose schitsophrania over friends I want you to know that bud. Seek help before you're too far gone to get any.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Gravy still ignoring that many prominent dems support allowing abortion up to and including the delivery date, at which point the baby is clearly a human, not a booger.

The dems accuse the right of "life at conception" being a magic trick. Meanwhile they have their own magic trick, which is "life begins when you exit a vagina". Like, okay, what about when you're half way out? Are you half alive?

Yup. Some democrats support "post birth abortion", which is murder last time I checked.

It is pretty sad to see Gravy compare a potential human life to a booger. His distain for human life is pretty clear here.

While I am not generally for abortion, best case scenario for abortion law is outlawing abortions around the time of minimal viability, and giving the law flexibility to update as science improves. Right now I believe minimal viability is 24 weeks, so the law should make abortion illegal around the 20 week mark in my estimation, with the ability to change that to an earlier week period when medical breakthroughs occur.