We told you so

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's their right to have an abortion before six weeks in texas. It's not their right to kill a 9 month old healthy baby who happens to be in their belly. That's called murder.

You doofuses still refuse to answer: What makes something a human or not, what makes something murder or not, at what point does a fetus become a human, and why. At what point does killing a human being become murder, and why. These are the crucial question and you just shit out rambling confused non-answers to these questions, which are the heart of the issue.

Can we not act like "allowing" an abortion 2 weeks after your next period is due IF your cycle is regular isn't a blanket abortion ban? That's barely time to know you missed it.

[starkind]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can we not act like "allowing" an abortion 2 weeks after your next period is due IF your cycle is regular isn't a blanket abortion ban? That's barely time to know you missed it.

Yeah. Imo the laws are tooo stringent.

They aren't forcing anyone to give them an abortion or drive them to the clinics. It's not like anyone's morality is in danger or potentially injured except the women and the doctors. And it's their right to *maybe* injure themselves.

People should be killed for trying to injure eachothers freedom and autonomy. That's right there in the 1st and 2cnd amendment. Not advocating for violence or revolution. I'm just saying it's a horrific double standard that the "anti's" hold. It's regulatory dumbfuckery of the highest order and its going to summon the antichrist.

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can we not act like "allowing" an abortion 2 weeks after your next period is due IF your cycle is regular isn't a blanket abortion ban? That's barely time to know you missed it.

There are these things called pregnancy tests. They are dirt cheap and work reliably at 4 weeks.

And I mean, fine, if you wanna change it to "No abortions after 10 weeks" instead, fine. I would support that too.

The point is that you can't justify the murder of a healthy developing baby that is several months old, and most lefties are pushing for abortion up to the day of delivery. That's what I'm pushing back against.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can we not act like "allowing" an abortion 2 weeks after your next period is due IF your cycle is regular isn't a blanket abortion ban? That's barely time to know you missed it.

Ya, it is indeed a very small window

I still don’t think the intention was to ban abortion, merely an attempt to suggest what constitutes life (is it a heartbeat? A brain? A circulatory system? Etc)

I’m no abortion expert, but based on my 5-10 minutes of research, there are apparently clinics which can do same-day (as a positive pregnancy test) abortions. However, those may very well be hundreds of miles away from the person. Which is the other alternative, even if there was a blanket ban on abortions in Texas, a person could always just drive/fly to a different state

So who gets the most hurt by this? Very impoverished people who can’t afford to. I mean, it’s not impossible, a greyhound bus ticket to a different state is around $50-60. But that could be out of reach for the very poor

There will always be underground abortion options too, I’m assuming, for someone who knows where to look. Just consider: did the war on drugs mean the end of drugs? The problem there is that people will be sacrificing safety and quality to get one illegally

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are these things called pregnancy tests. They are dirt cheap and work reliably at 4 weeks.

And I mean, fine, if you wanna change it to "No abortions after 10 weeks" instead, fine. I would support that too.

The point is that you can't justify the murder of a healthy developing baby that is several months old, and most lefties are pushing for abortion up to the day of delivery. That's what I'm pushing back against.

If they pushed abortion rights out to age 18, we’d have much better behaved kids in America. Believe it

[Ooloo]

Of course people will get abortions illegally if they were flat out banned. But the notion there would be *more* abortions if they were illegal and not *less* is crazy. There would obviously be less.

Drugs aren't really a fair comparison either, because people choose to do drugs. The whole issue with abortion is that you *didn't* choose to get pregnant, it was accidental. The incentive structure is totally different.

The texas law isn't banning them, it's merely asking for a little personal responsibility. And if 6 weeks is too short, make it ten, I'm down for that. But you go on tiktok and see girls *celebrating* the killing of babies, which is morbid and horrifying. They are going to have terrible, aimless lives.

[starkind]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course people will get abortions illegally if they were flat out banned. But the notion there would be *more* abortions if they were illegal and not *less* is crazy. There would obviously be less.

Drugs aren't really a fair comparison either, because people choose to do drugs. The whole issue with abortion is that you *didn't* choose to get pregnant, it was accidental. The incentive structure is totally different.

The texas law isn't banning them, it's merely asking for a little personal responsibility. And if 6 weeks is too short, make it ten, I'm down for that. But you go on tiktok and see girls *celebrating* the killing of babies, which is morbid and horrifying. They are going to have terrible, aimless lives.

There will always be people who offend you. Tiktok is gross. So I suggest some time at your local food bank or church instead.

[Mesocyclone]

I walked into the church and it burned down around me. Only thing left was the pew. I've seen things the church has never imagined.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course people will get abortions illegally if they were flat out banned. But the notion there would be *more* abortions if they were illegal and not *less* is crazy. There would obviously be less.

Drugs aren't really a fair comparison either, because people choose to do drugs. The whole issue with abortion is that you *didn't* choose to get pregnant, it was accidental. The incentive structure is totally different.

The texas law isn't banning them, it's merely asking for a little personal responsibility. And if 6 weeks is too short, make it ten, I'm down for that. But you go on tiktok and see girls *celebrating* the killing of babies, which is morbid and horrifying. They are going to have terrible, aimless lives.

Oh ya if abortion was illegal it would cut probably 95% or so of abortions

Getting pregnant is both a choice and an accident. Ideally every person has basic sex education before being sexually active, which means every person should understand the concept that unprotected (and very rarely) protected sex can result in a baby. It’s a choice to have sex and that choice is knowing a baby could result

The GOP seems to believe that if we had responsible parents raising responsible kids and a culture shift, that either all of America would wait until marriage (HAH! I guarantee you probably 50%+ of religious GOP members that say they did are fucking lying), or else wait until one is able to care for a baby before having sex. That is a fucking pipe dream in my opinion, not when you have a culture of using sex appeal to sell products and one’s self on an individual basis on social media constantly. “Just keep your legs closed”….never gonna happen in America

When I was growing up my parents told me many times “we don’t believe in abortion in this household, and we think you should wait until marriage, but if you don’t, don’t have sex including with a condom until you are prepared for the possibility of a baby”. At first I was actually hard-lined on trying to wait until marriage, which my gf in senior year respected. But I changed my mind and lost my virginity at around age 19 with a girl who was 21. Both of us were working, and I had my parents as backup to assist with child raising

So I followed my parent’s advice to the letter. Good luck getting America to do that. Good luck even getting all of America to have parents

[Horza]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can we not act like "allowing" an abortion 2 weeks after your next period is due IF your cycle is regular isn't a blanket abortion ban? That's barely time to know you missed it.

This is why arguing about abortion rights with evangelical Christians is so boring, they're all disingenuous liars.