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[wuanahto]

So the only rules against pickpocketing were introduced after the incident and the punishment was retroactive?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by wuanahto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So the only rules against pickpocketing were introduced after the incident and the punishment was retroactive?

No, lists have been announced since before Green was even released:

Originally Posted by Nilbog

Lists
We would like players to have their fair shot at obtaining limited time items, and to that end we are devising a system for a server-kept 'list' of players in line to loot said item. Upon entering a zone or camp area, you will be able to enter a command to add yourself to the list for this item. While your name is on that list you must remain in the zone or camp vicinity until your name reaches the top (You'll have a limited time to re-enter the zone or area in case of disconnection). Once your name is up, and the item drops, you will automatically be granted exclusive permission to loot that item from the corpse. We hope this system will prevent the practice of passing camps and/or items to friends, corpsing additional items, and so on. We believe this should closely mimic how the majority of camps were handled in classic Everquest, and is the best solution to mechanically enforce it. More details about this system will be announced prior to launch.

[loramin]

And just before anyone says "but it wasn't in the rules", our PnP have long had "10. You may not disrupt the normal playability of a zone or area." and "12. You may not abuse other players or Project 1999 Staff.". Although neither mentions /list exploits specifically, they both clearly apply, and they also both say something to the effect of "This list is not all-inclusive. Other actions may be determined as abuse at the discretion of the P99CSR".

So yes, circumventing the /list system, or any other form of cheating the game at other players' expense, has always been against the rules here. But forget about the "letter of the law": if you're playing here, you're doing so at Rogean's, Nilbog's, and a whole lot of other people's expense. Our volunteer GMs, our development team, our server administrators ... they all spend a huge amounts of time just to make P99 possible. On top of that Rogean also spends his own money to help keep the servers up (he's mentioned in the past that donations don't cover all the costs).

It's amazing that, because of all them, we get to play this great game for free! So if you're going to come here, after all those people put in all that effort, and try to argue that you didn't know what you were doing was wrong ... honestly just GTFO, you ungrateful cheat.

[Bhairava]

the list is for the right to 'fight' the mob though, it's not a guarantee of loot.

they still got the mob, nobody ksed it from them.

in other words, rule lawyering down to the fine print to defend the server from having anything interesting or fun ever

[Bhairava]

loramin more like lame-amin haha

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Bhairava [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the list is for the right to 'fight' the mob though, it's not a guarantee of loot.

they still got the mob, nobody ksed it from them.

in other words, rule lawyering down to the fine print to defend the server from having anything interesting or fun ever

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=162956

[Pulgasari]

Originally Posted by Bhairava [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

loramin more like lame-amin haha

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[loramin]

Originally Posted by Pulgasari [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like how he gestures vaguely at an argument then takes redoubt in mastery. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There was nothing vague about it. I literally spelled out the multiple rules they violated (a completely stand-alone argument on its own) ...

... and then I offered a second argument: regardless of the rules, the /list exploiters are basically doing this to Rogean's, Nilbog's, and the rest of the staff's couch server:

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[Pulgasari]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There was nothing vague about it. I literally spelled out the multiple rules they violated (a completely stand-alone argument on its own) ...

... and then I offered a second argument: regardless of the rules, the /list exploiters are basically doing this to Rogean's, Nilbog's, and the rest of the staff's couch server:

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If your first argument is so sound, why do you need a second?

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[Bhairava]

loramin posting the N-word in rnf, wow yikes