A Shady Goblin (Ring Roll) in Warsilk Woods

[zodium]

Originally Posted by White_knight [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What a first world problem "anti-rollers".

Soon we will have anti-vaccers or soemthing.


(P.s. this is a load response, please don't take it seriously)

Rolling .. causes autism?

[Senescant]

Further discussion has lead to the conclusion that:
Rolling after it spawns sucks.
Solution:
Rolling at the 24h mark.
People were on board with this before, but a few loud QQers were opposed.

Right now it seems to be spawning between 24h and 28h after turn in.
The issue for now until the unclassic variance is fixed is the reporting of the time that its turned in. Ideally whoever wins would report that, either by posting here or can shoot myself, kelz, loramin, someone else that posts here a tell with the time. If it isn't reported we'd just show up at the previous days time.

Thoughts?

[Bbeta]

Merkk, what happened to you?

[kotton05]

Originally Posted by Bbeta [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Merkk, what happened to you?

Nothing yet I got about 30+ toons ready to fuck this whole thing up then I’ll prolly get suspended or something.

[Kelzar]

Problems with preroll are:

1) Guy A wins roll, he waits for 00 to 200 minutes for the pop. During that period of time from 0 to X amount of people logs in, ask for the rules and they may like, dislike, agree or disagree.

Yes, thats like now, but in a preroll, that "winner" will be possibly alone, arguing with whoever logs later and wants to fight that "preRoll" agreement, so he will be possibly in minority in the situation of a dispute happened

2) People can abuse the system, by simply rolling at the pre established time and, if losing, coming later with another toon/toons and try to find the situation 1) listed above.

3) The most simplified you offer a quest, the more populated it will become. Doing a preroll will cause that the amount of people rolling goes from X to X2 at very least. And that not only affect this current event, but also the next bottle neck.

The prime example is Scout Charisa. At her current state, Charisa is just an alt-toon park place, where hundreds of people park their toons, to log in for 1 minute every 10 hours, hit /random and camp out.

Thats not the way for quests to be, imho. You want it, you work it.


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So current system might not be perfect, as I dont even personally like it, but it gives the people in there the security of that there is a "present majority" who actually agrees with the agreement which they talk about.

The only missing thing, at the current state, is that some GM gives a yes vote or a support to how its being done. Players are agreeing, players are "mostly" being respecfull, the only missing part is the support of those who rule this, so that we dont convert that place with 30 guys daily into the hunger games cuz of the lack of support in the agreements, we, players, do.


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TLDR: Keep rolling on pop, 5 seconds. GMs halp. GG.

[Senescant]

People can abuse the current system by just turning in kelz. What's the difference. I think given the option none of the people currently there would abuse it, and new people would just be educated on the way it works. They can fight the current roll agreement saying they don't agree with that either. But people don't.

Its great that some people can sleep through the window at their computer with their Gina blairing for a roll or that they don't mind looking at a wall for 0-4 hours a day. But not everyone wants to handle it that way.

The current system is pretty shitty at the moment. If more people agree to preroll than roll on pop we'll make it the agreement, just like we did with rolling. If people break that agreement then they'll be petitioned, just like we previously did. If GMs don't enforce the agreement then it'll just fall apart. If people state they don't agree or don't want to be part of the agreement...we'll see what happens.

I have people already telling me their abandoning the roll. So there's that too.

[loramin]

I'll do it if everyone else agrees ... but I'd give a snowball's chance in hell to it succeeding.

Senescant you seem ... optimistic (to put it mildly) about your ability to convince 20+ people (changing every day) to agree to anything that's not the absolute simplest solution possible. I can only attribute it to a lack of experience on this server, and while I keep trying to impress the point on you, you keep ignoring it and dreaming up new complicated schemes to fail with.

Again, I'm not saying I'm against it, and I will join if everyone else does too ... but I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that will never happen.

But on the plus side, at least this idea doesn't threaten to destroy the entire agreement like your last one, so that's good [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[TheSurgeon]

Dueling for slots on a list just sound so much better.

[Kelzar]

I will personally not agree with a preRoll.

It is a very weak option, with not the aim to solve the current problems, but just to make it at least "easier" or "efortless"

The "price" a preRoll would have, would be so big that I can´t even imagine why or which are the reasons for some people, as you, to propose it.

The only current problem, is people who doesnt honour or respect the agreement which other 20-30 people do. But I personally believe, that GMs, once they see the situation, will take cards into it and make a choice or movement.


The worst thing "we" can do, is try to overcomplicate the system by pretending to change the rules drastically every day. It works, let it go. It was mainly you, Senescant, the person who was pushing hardly in forums and in game tells the people to get the roll system. We have it now, just dont try to make it worse.

[Senescant]

The simplest solution is a clickfest. That's where we're currently headed back to. I'm trying to make this less painful for everyone, as many people have stated would rather not poopsock a roll.

A preroll isn't complicated. People show up, they roll, winner wins, winner socks. Many people have stated they'd be ok with that. If that's complicated for you then there may be something wrong with you.

Also don't be fooled by the account's born on date. This is forum account #3...

@Kelz. What "price". What are you talking about. Please be specific. I get you like to poopsock and/or sleep at your computer with your gina trigger, but not everyone else is on board with that.