My Theory About Why Feminism is Currently Irrelevent to Millenials

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do women get paid less across the board than men if things are equal between the sexes? This is just one clear stat that no one can dispute. Men are paid more than women, period. Why is this? Because women want the job more, so they get paid less? To think the world in America is equal for men and women you'd have to be delusional or crazy, or just in denial.

because they dont? https://fee.org/articles/truth-and-m...ender-pay-gap/

personally I believe that you have conditioned women into thinking they are going to be treated worse than men so they go in more desperate and worried that they are going to get turned down altogethre because of sexism.

It puts them at a weaker position than men, who are told that they will get more than the deserve, so they go in with confidence.

Yall need better parenting, not feminism.

quit worrying about other parents kids, if they raise them to think they deserve less, that means your kid who was raised propper knows they can get more thanks to those suckers.

[Pokesan]

loramin is a FUCKING TERF

[mickmoranis]

whats interesting to me is libtards have less children than conservatives, they tend to go full blown childless at a higher rate altogether.

But they are the ones that are more concerned with parenting than actual parents!

Why not have your own kids and stop trying to make the government parent everyone else's?

[hyejin]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not the greatest fan of proverbs (o^^o)

secures eye contact with chin guidance, then pats crown with smirk

[JurisDictum]

You know college could teach that the pay gap statistic is not about just flat being paid less for same work same experience. But they usually don't. They gloss over that factoid and don't test on it.

None of the 20-something catch it. It's not real. Not your actually going to be paid 20% less when your hired next to johnny or in 5 years....not unless you take time off work to have kids -- the real reason behind a huge portion of the pay gap.

As far as men being paid more because they take higher paying jobs....very rarely is this about being biased against women these days. Maybe some of those blue collar union jobs and Military.*

They could teach that 1/4 college girls are probably not raped...but would rather keep the shit going. Just try -- as a good little girl feminist -- questioning that statistic sometime in class and see how the room reacts. You would have better luck debating theology with a priest. They literally just wont talk about it. Can't do it -- that's sexist.

It's like these statistical malpractice cases are why people hate feminism -- and they just keep spouting it out. Like it's on purpose.

*Edit: This has more to do with stuff like girls not being encouraged to computer program as much as boys in school. Little things like that have a big impact with computer programers make way more money than people with a similar level of trianing in another area. Not a lot of talk about chicks doing math though. Sore subject because most don't want to (I blame culture not nature).

[Rader]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do women get paid less across the board than men if things are equal between the sexes? I should clarify this better, why are women not offered the same higher paying jobs as men? This is just one clear stat that no one can dispute. Men are paid more than women and are offered higher paid jobs period. Why is this? Because women want the job more, so they get paid less? To think the world in America is equal for men and women you'd have to be delusional or crazy, or just in denial.

There are many reasons why one gender could make more money than the other, without discrimination being involved. One may value their families more than their career, one may choose careers based on personal fulfillment rather than economic compensation, one may not negotiate as hard because they don't want to upset people, one may pursue money more because their sex life depends on how much they earn, etc. Any one who blames discrimination for 100 percent of the gender gap is not very bright.

[loramin]

First off:

Originally Posted by Rader [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Falling" onto phallic-shaped objects isn't actually rape.

It is never acceptable to trivialize someone else's rape. NEVER.

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

loramin is a FUCKING TERF

I had to look that up:

Their position ... denies that trans people's self-affirmed genders and sexes are equally valid as cis people's self-affirmed genders and sexes. It has a decades-long history of allying with anti-feminist causes in denying trans people access to health care, and other human rights.

Hell no! I totally support transgender people ... even my crazy transgender comic book artist friend who supposedly has been a transgender female for a couple of years, yet still doesn't look feminine in any way, shape, or form (and in fact sports a healthy beard) ... because the way I see it everyone, no matter what they think about themselves, deserves to be equal in our society.

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by Rader [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are many reasons why one gender could make more money than the other, without discrimination being involved. One may value their families more than their career, one may choose careers based on personal fulfillment rather than economic compensation, one may not negotiate as hard because they don't want to upset people, one may pursue money more because their sex life depends on how much they earn, etc. Any one who blames discrimination for 100 percent of the gender gap is not very bright.

also because women are conditioned by libtards to think that even if they try to get more money, they wont, so why try at all?

Self defeating idiology is what it is.

Same thing goes for blacks in america.

If you aint got a shot in life, why even take one?

Its very sad.

Libs will wrestle with EVERY kind of social construct having an influence in peoples life, but the second you tell them that maybe their ranting and raving about false realities and insisting that people are victims, might have a negative effect? NO THATS HERESY! BURN THE INFIDEL!!

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The massive amount of misinformation about feminism here is overwhelming. You guys are Don Quixote, fighting windmill monsters that don't exist. In fact, I'm willing to bet that I'm the only one in this thread who has actually known multiple real-life people involved in the feminist movement. The vast majority of you probably don't know even know one, and many likely don't even know anyone who identifies as a feminist.

The "glorification of dominance, aggression and violence" is antithetical to the feminist movement (going back to the very earliest days when temperance and feminism overlapped). Now melon if I understand your point, it's that "well they don't like that stuff, but they're stupid and do stupid counterproductive things which ultimately results in the glorification of dominance, aggression and violence" ... to which I say bullshit.

of course you do and that is part of the reason why I did not bother investing anymore in my last post than i did. this became evident in our last exchange :c had you any genuine
interest in propagating truth, or even understanding, you'd have worked with me in a focused discussion by answering my questions OR asking more of your own.

Instead, you want a source war. I'm sorry, but I don't know what information you need to make sense of my argument and I neither catalogue nor remember much of anything. I'm neither interested in nor capable of shoving piles of information back and forth. i do however possess an exceptional talent for discrimination and offered it for your use, but you just ignored it :c

you write a lot and have a lot of information ^^ I cannot address everything you say at once, nor am I interested in addressing every tangent you introduce when you ignore the substance of my argument :c

Or at least, you have to back such an extraordinary claim up with something: I can claim the Republican party has a pro-gay agenda (and back it up by showing all the stupid things Republicans have done historically that have ultimately furthered gay rights) ... but that'd be a stupid argument to make. I certainly wouldn't just say "Republicans <3 gays: you are probably better equipped to figure it out than i am to explain it".

As for "adherents of radical feminism believe that egalitarianism means eradicating the desire for men and women to partake in domination games", these "radical feminists" are almost exclusively in people's imagination. I mean sure, you can find crazy people willing to say crazy things on any side of an argument, but again I have known a lot of feminists, and none of them were anything like that.

In fact they were all, every last one of them, far more sex-positive than your average person. They generally had a much better understanding of the concept that the human brain (and thus sex) is weird, and that there's nothing wrong with weirdness like BDSM as long as both parties are consenting and having fun.



Crazy, insane liberal stuff, like greater legal protection against discrimination, harassment, rape and abuse, better support of women in abusive relationships, equal pay for equal work (the details of how to implement this one issue probably does vary between liberals/conservatives), elimination of child marriage, access to abortion (and female healthcare in general) for all women, more teaching of STEM to young girls, etc.

[hyejin]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hell no! I totally support transgender people ... even my crazy transgender comic book artist friend who supposedly has been a transgender female for a couple of years, yet still doesn't look feminine in any way, shape, or form (and in fact sports a healthy beard) ... because the way I see it everyone, no matter what they think about themselves, deserves to be equal in our society.

This doesn't read like support. You dole out the appearance of respect to her, while name-checking her for virtue points, even though you've determined she's not the real deal huh? You're a paragon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]