Las Vegas Shooting - Discussion

[Xaanka]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/09...olice-say.html

security guard was shot 6 mins before the crowd was fired on

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by Xaanka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/09...olice-say.html

security guard was shot 6 mins before the crowd was fired on

super confused, it says that the security guard is a hero because:

A Mandalay Bay hotel security is being hailed a hero after he took the shooter’s first bullet, potentially saving lives ahead of the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.

how did he save lives? So confused, are they fucking up their story here and saying that he was shot at the end of paddok shooting the crowd? or before?? confused.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

super confused, it says that the security guard is a hero because:

A Mandalay Bay hotel security is being hailed a hero after he took the shooter’s first bullet, potentially saving lives ahead of the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.

how did he save lives? So confused, are they fucking up their story here and saying that he was shot at the end of paddok shooting the crowd? or before?? confused.

Scanner tapes tell us there was an FBI strike team on the 32nd floor. way before anyone called it in, or receieved any complaint about the 32nd floor.

LVMPD was a seperate force clearing the lower floors, they communicate with the FBI strike on the scanner. LVMPD is told to stay back to avoid dying, and to not go near the 32nd.

My guess is FBI killed security or needed to explain the gunshot sound witnesses on the 32nd floor heard, and thats why the story is being changed.


i use the tapes and the video evidence, so eventually ill have a full picture in 6 months to 2 years of what really happened. I can't say the same for anyone else.

[Xaanka]

they're saying the security guard saw the door ajar and came in the room, triggering paddock to start the attack early. it puts things like "he probably planned for more people to show up" back in the picture esp. with the extent of unused advanced preparations.

there is also no longer any explanation for why he stopped shooting.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Xaanka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there is also no longer any explanation for why he stopped shooting.

I can't read all of these posts in this thread, as I stopped putting emotional energy into this event a week after it occurred.

Personally I found the logistics of the attack extremely complex. It required well above typical infantry training meaning whoever did it was trained very well in crowd killing techniques from high places with the specific weapons that were used.

I say this from comparing what I was taught in the army to what was done at this event.

My unit actually was given SAWs to replace our M-16s which were originally our standard issued weapon along with m-60 machine guns which our unit had two of. Everyone else had M-16s, until they began phasing them out and replacing them with SAWs.

My point is never did we learn with our M-16s or the SAWs how to fire from extremely high vantage points, which according to some firearms experts the technique is different as you must aim the weapon at an upward arc to "umbrella" or shower the bullets down upon the mass targets. I don't know if this technique was used, but if it was that adds to the knowledge and skill the attackers had.

Another detail that surprised me was that the attack was done at ight time, yet no tracer bullets were used. Usually if you are firing a weapon during night, you prepare by having every 5 rounds spaced with a tracer to make it easier to hit your target(s).

Again, this tells me that whoever used these weapons were extremely well-trained kowing exactly how to aim and hit targets at night time with no problem.

I believe there was a camera system setup inside, because the attackers planned to escape alive. They either killed Paddock before the attack began, or he was part of the attack and was killed after helping.

The short period of time, and the amount of damage done also indicates extreme skill and knowledge of the weapons used. It also tells me that if a long period of time elapsed from the time the shooting ended, to the time the room was found and invaded there was plenty of time for the attackers to stage and fix the scene as best they could and escape.

The camera system was fixed inside the room so the attackers could kill anyone that tried to interfere with the 10-11 minute attack. Once the attack was done in the amount of time planned, they escaped.

I don't know if any new info came out, like I said I stopped reading it after a week because of so much conflicting information and also because it's clear other entities besides Paddock were involved.

I refuse to try to sort out who is responsible, simply because there are just way too many entities that it could be.

There are so many secretive factions and groups who could gain from this attack that imo chances are it's not one group or another, but multiple groups working in tandem.

Anyway, if someone already mentioned this stuff sorry, also, maybe some new info came out and disproves or proves some of what I write here, I don't know.

I just felt like chatting about it today, with you guys.

[MiRo2]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My unit actually was given SAWs to replace our M-16s which were originally our standard issued weapon along with m-60 machine guns which our unit had two of. Everyone else had M-16s, until they began phasing them out and replacing them with SAWs.

My point is never did we learn with our M-16s or the SAWs how to fire from extremely high vantage points, which according to some firearms experts the technique is different as you must aim the weapon at an upward arc to "umbrella" or shower the bullets down upon the mass targets.

Just out of curiosity, what type of unit were you in that advanced marksmanship wasn't a thing and replaced all their personal weapons with m249s? I never seen an infantry unit with more than 2 LMGs per squad, whether they are light or mechanized.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by MiRo2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just out of curiosity, what type of unit were you in that advanced marksmanship wasn't a thing and replaced all their personal weapons with m249s? I never seen an infantry unit with more than 2 LMGs per squad, whether they are light or mechanized.

stolen valor

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by MiRo2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just out of curiosity, what type of unit were you in that advanced marksmanship wasn't a thing and replaced all their personal weapons with m249s? I never seen an infantry unit with more than 2 LMGs per squad, whether they are light or mechanized.

I was in ADA (air defense artillery), and to be accurate they replaced the majority of my units personal weapons with SAWs.

I actually still had an M16 issued to me as I was at the end of my 4 year enlistment. Whether they added additional training after I left the military with the SAWs or not I can't say, obviously as I was no longer there.

I was fine with not having a SAW because they were very heavy compared to an M16 and any added weight wasn't exactly a welcomed addition to me when I went to the field.

My unit still had two M60 machine guns as well as two .50 caliber machine guns that were always carried with our unit to the field, so I can't comment on what your unit was issued. These were always standard weaponry that we took to the field, even before the SAWs were introduced.

Being ADA I would imagine we were issued different weaponry compared to a standard infantry unit, for one we set up our launchers and post in the field, and our unit would not be on the front line as we were there for air defense.

Perhaps we were being issues more light machine guns for added firepower with further range? I don't know, I got out very soon after SAWs were replacing my units M16s, and honestly they never explained to us why they changed our gears. You just got it, and you were trained how to use it. The logistics of why you got what you got was never a big priority for them to explain.

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

stolen valor

As for valor, I don't consider anything I did in the military valorous at all, I joined because I didn't want to go to college, I was 17 years old (I went to boot camp 5 days after I graduated HS) and I just wanted to be on my own. Desert Storm was all over the TV then, and I thought it looked like an adventure plus I was always into athletics and thought the army would be very active physically.

I think it's funny that my story is greeted with skepticism, I have nothing to gain from sharing it, I just felt like chiming in on my personal perception of the attack in Vegas. If people don't believe what I say, I can't help that.

My intention wasn't to brag about being in the army, in fact knowing what I know now I would never join. I can see why at the time, my dad was against me joining as he had been in the army too, and he fully understood what it was about. I had a very idealistic view of it, I suppose. I also had to get written permission signed by my dad agreeing that I could join due to me being under 18 when I went in, so you can imagine his dilemma.

[MiRo2]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was in ADA (air defense artillery), and to be accurate they replaced the majority of my units personal weapons with SAWs.

I was actually assigned to an ADA unit in Korea for two years, and I can say they had the same issue of personal weapons as light infantry M16/M4(most people) and 1-2 m249s per 10ish people. M240b's(replaced the m60) and M2's are common issue among mechanized units regardless of type as crew served weapons.

Were you patriot, SHORAD, maybe stinger based off the gulf war time frame? I have literally never seen or heard of any unit that had m249s as the majority of their personal weapons based off MTO&E.

[mickmoranis]

the hammer has been *daped*