@Sirken "a fair and legitimate chance at that target"

[Sirken]

I wasn't gonna post in this thread, but then 293 posts later, my opinion changed and there's a couple things I'd like to say.

Firstly, we as a staff and as a community, are juggling many different play-styles here on P99. That includes everything from players that will only ever reach mid levels and those level appropriate dungeons, it includes super casual guilds that may only get together once a week or every other week to farm planes, guilds that are capable of downing content but do not want to do anything besides show up to partake in that content, as well as guilds that are willing to track, race, be in voice chat & on batphones, mobilize & react to things extremely fast at any time, and a bunch of play-styles that fall between the aforementioned descriptions.

When you are dealing with that many different people, with that many different play-styles, it is literally impossible for one single course of action to make everyone happy. Surely it's possible to make one group happy, but i'm a firm believer in the school of a good negotiation means no one walks away from the table completely satisfied.

It really bothers me when I see some (not all) of the casual guilds acting like the staff doesn't care about them, and never does anything to help them. We dramatically shorted the variance window from what it was as a direct response to casual guilds complaining that it was too big (and lets be honest, hardcore guilds hated it and complained about it too), so we agreed to shorten the windows on the condition that players would stop poopsocking; we held up our end of the bargain, players did not. At this point, we will not entertain offers from players that involve the promise to stop the sock (because they already spent that card, and the staff is still awaiting it to be delivered), and we will not offer to shorten the variance any more (for the same reason).

Now, as for racing; my personal opinion aside, there is literally no universe in which an argument can be made that having an hour to kill a target that you FTE does anything besides help casual guilds get to experience more content. This change was added solely for the purpose of helping casual guilds, without destroying or removing play-styles that are enjoyed by the more hardcore guilds.

That said, Project 1999 is literally the only place where you can play Classic EQ with any kind of population and also still enjoy a competitive raid scene. It is not a server that allows you to just show up and press the "free loot" button, and it's not a server that rewards you for simply existing. And as much as I hate saying it, I have had to tell guild leaders that if all they really want is instanced raid zones, or a forced rotation, that maybe P99 just isn't the right server for them or their guild. Literally every other server has instances and/or rotations, and some guilds might just be happier there.

Before anyone tries to jump in and play the "we don't care about pixels, we just care about experiencing content" card, let me just stop you because if it was just about content and not about loot people would have been more than ok with rotating all but two VP dragons (PD & Hosh), and people would have been ok with literally any mob split or agreement, as it would still result in casual guilds getting more content than they would be getting if there was absolutely nothing in put in place (be it by staff or a player agreement).

People can complain all they want, but at the end of the day if you guild isn't forcing its members to be in voice chat, isn't utilizing some form of batphone, or is somehow still under the belief that you have to stare at a screen for 16 hours to get a mob, then you guys need to look inwards and fix those problems (and yes, those are absolutely problems if you want to be a raiding guild) because there's literally nothing that the staff or player-base can do to help you if you aren't willing to help yourselves first.

In closing, I'm sick of hearing things aren't "fair". Things are more fair now than they have been in 5+ years. Fair doesn't mean everyone gets the same amount of mobs or loot. Fair means everyone gets the same opportunity to kill those mobs or get that loot, and right now, while it might not be the perfect system for your desired play-style, it is a 100% fair system as it gives everyone a fair and equal opportunity to engage any content, and doesn't even require your raid force to be parked or even in game anymore as you now have the hour to kill.

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[Ravager]

Originally Posted by bigbard1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sounds like Phinigel may be the right server for you. Come on over. Anyone who reads this I can help you with some starter weapons and stuff just PM me.

#notmyserver

Pretty much this. If you want to raid, you won't find a fun or classic experience of it on P99. There's no shame in getting your raiding fix someplace else. Hell, there's no reason a person can't simultaneously box P99 for classic level grind and Phinny for raiding.

[kotton05]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is a point where you have beaten P99 and you are just an a$$hole if you continue to plug up the top end raiding zones. See the content and move along, its literally crazy that guilds use batphones and DKP on an emulated time-locked server.

Every week the server should come together for an open raid in ToV where the guilds all work together and clear the entire damn place – open rolls for usable items by anyone in attendance.

But but the 7th alt!!

i don't get it either spyder. But here is the kicker....

Aftermath was willing to rotate mobs and work with everyone just like rustle. It wasn't rustle or am afaik who ruined it... surprisingly it was CSG who was unhappy and didn't agree. Then the members complain like it was AM who ruined it. The misinformation is at an all time high. We was close to working it out like adults[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I hope it gets revisited as detoxx is a leader who will work with others np step up CSG swallow that pride. You was gonna get dain PD and a few other really nice targets but wasn't enough!

Plz reconsider csg lets be done with the old ways and make a change

[Culkasi]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But but the 7th alt!!

i don't get it either spyder. But here is the kicker....

Aftermath was willing to rotate mobs and work with everyone just like rustle. It wasn't rustle or am afaik who ruined it... surprisingly it was CSG who was unhappy and didn't agree. Then the members complain like it was AM who ruined it. The misinformation is at an all time high. We was close to working it out like adults[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I hope it gets revisited as detoxx is a leader who will work with others np step up CSG swallow that pride. You was gonna get dain PD and a few other really nice targets but wasn't enough!

Plz reconsider csg lets be done with the old ways and make a change

Sounds like you are badly informed, please don't slander our name like that. We were not happy with the split suggested, and requested some changes, but as far as I know we weren't the difficult party to work with here.

AM didn't ruin it, they just asked for too large a piece of the cake in my mind, and so did another party in the talks. We would've been happy with less cake than on last agreement (of course), but the quality of the cake should not diminish so much that you are doubting if it actually is cake. CSG doesn't want to kill 10 mobs in a week, thats not who we are or how we roll. 2-3 of the nice pieces of cake, and we would've filled our need and happily moved on, but when all we are offered is crusts, then we ask for a different way of distributing said cake. Now one party wanted flat out a size of the cake proportionate to their size (which was never going to happen), and another party wanted to have most of the cake AND all of the toppings, which of course isn't really fair either.

Anyway, think what you like, but CSG wanted to make an agreement here, very very much so - FFA raiding is not for 2017.

Edit: I also haven't really seen any CSG crying about this agreement falling through, anywhere on the forums? If so they are not representing us well.
We knew it was a possibility with the problems outlined above, but surely there is a threshold where an agreement is just too poor to agree to.

[kotton05]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But but the 7th alt!!

i don't get it either spyder. But here is the kicker....

Aftermath was willing to rotate mobs and work with everyone just like rustle. It wasn't rustle or am afaik who ruined it... surprisingly it was CSG who was unhappy and didn't agree. Then the members complain like it was AM who ruined it. The misinformation is at an all time high. We was close to working it out like adults[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I hope it gets revisited as detoxx is a leader who will work with others np step up CSG swallow that pride. You was gonna get dain PD and a few other really nice targets but wasn't enough!

Plz reconsider csg lets be done with the old ways and make a change

May have been alil harsh I'm sorry I just want it like the last two weeks ugh

[Kruel]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is a point where you have beaten P99 and you are just an a$$hole if you continue to plug up the top end raiding zones. See the content and move along, its literally crazy that guilds use batphones and DKP on an emulated time-locked server.

Every week the server should come together for an open raid in ToV where the guilds all work together and clear the entire damn place – open rolls for usable items by anyone in attendance.

this actually made me lol. You sir do not have a good idea.

[Culkasi]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

CSG too busy strong arming kouhai outta pixels in PoF to come to the table :c

I thought they were a swell group. What up with that? (´n` )

Not sure what this is about, we haven't killed a ffa mob in Fear for several weeks, if even this year

[arsenalpow]

CSG were offered a fair rotation of every 7th Velketor or Wuoshi. The other guilds don't understand why CSG is being so difficult to work with.

[Legday]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

CSG were offered a fair rotation of every 7th Velketor or Wuoshi. The other guilds don't understand why CSG is being so difficult to work with.

It was much more than that. There were some big mobs in there accross the 2 cycles that Awakened was missing. Not to mention that the rest of the big names were mostly FFA. I know FFA isn't exactly level accross the guilds, but CSG won a fair and square Lady Nev race the other day.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Legday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It was much more than that. There were some big mobs in there accross the 2 cycles that Awakened was missing. Not to mention that the rest of the big names were mostly FFA. I know FFA isn't exactly level accross the guilds, but CSG won a fair and square Lady Nev race the other day.

Legday, you're trying to rationalize with the leader of the 15th most capable guild on an instanced server.

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