The Sleeper to be awoken tonight in Rampage's final raid.

[Lazie]

Detoxx is so guilty FYI. Let me tell you an entertaining and true story.

On the repop everything but Sevalak and Sontalak was dead so we started prepping for Sontalak. Message comes down from Sirken we are suspended and Detoxx informs us in TS. A few minutes later he keys up his microphone again and says "Great now my Wizard is suspended too".

A few minutes passes as he tries to find out why.

Finally he comes back and says "It was suspended for Autofire where is ****(player name removed)" The person in question wasn't around. He then a few minutes later and clearly angry says "Thanks whoever got my Wizard banned for using it". We try to have a rational discussion about it all of us perplexed. What could possibly be autofired ? Everything was a CotH race. You aren't sitting on spawns why would anyone use it ? We assumed someone used his Wizard on something like Charisa or Ragefire.

Glad to know our competition immediately came to a conclusion that it was some sort of script being used. Goes to show it's probably something they were using. We had no clue something like that existed while we were discussing it in TS.

[Culkasi]

I wonder, just wonder, if the reason Rampage left is because what FA calls "competition" is so retarded that they don't want to get up at 3am for it? When you have to purposefully find ways to shit over every other guild being in the zone at the time, and hope they are not as good as lawyerquest as you, to "win", maybe, just maybe, a 17 year old elf simulator is no longer the respite from a busy life that we would all like it to be?

I don't mind competition, I love winning a race, and when loosing a fair race I'll applaud the competition, but when it becomes about who can create the smartest train to some obscure zone out and tag a mob, or who can sit in a pull path to make someone else concede, or who can train and hope noone has FRAPS running, then its not "a competitive raid environment", then its stupidity, and I really can't blame someone for not wanting to be part of that.

I know members of FA have a different view, but I appreciate how Rampage has treated the tier 2-3 guilds on the server since they came into play, they've understood that even if the VP/NToV was shitshows, it didn't have to be shitshows when they interacted with us, normal decency could work in that regard - and as such, Rampage has been a pleasant acquaintance.

[Prismaticshop]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wonder, just wonder, if the reason Rampage left is because what FA calls "competition" is so retarded that they don't want to get up at 3am for it? When you have to purposefully find ways to shit over every other guild being in the zone at the time, and hope they are not as good as lawyerquest as you, to "win", maybe, just maybe, a 17 year old elf simulator is no longer the respite from a busy life that we would all like it to be?

I don't mind competition, I love winning a race, and when loosing a fair race I'll applaud the competition, but when it becomes about who can create the smartest train to some obscure zone out and tag a mob, or who can sit in a pull path to make someone else concede, or who can train and hope noone has FRAPS running, then its not "a competitive raid environment", then its stupidity, and I really can't blame someone for not wanting to be part of that.

I know members of FA have a different view, but I appreciate how Rampage has treated the tier 2-3 guilds on the server since they came into play, they've understood that even if the VP/NToV was shitshows, it didn't have to be shitshows when they interacted with us, normal decency could work in that regard - and as such, Rampage has been a pleasant acquaintance.

Give us a break. TR RMT'd off P99 saying the exact same thing once they got their asses kicked in VP. It's just another sorry ass excuse since they got beat.

Rampage is such a pleasant acquaintance that they just shit on every single P99 player by waking the sleeper up and now leaving in a mass RMT wave.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wonder, just wonder, if the reason Rampage left is because what FA calls "competition" is so retarded that they don't want to get up at 3am for it? When you have to purposefully find ways to shit over every other guild being in the zone at the time, and hope they are not as good as lawyerquest as you, to "win", maybe, just maybe, a 17 year old elf simulator is no longer the respite from a busy life that we would all like it to be?

I don't mind competition, I love winning a race, and when loosing a fair race I'll applaud the competition, but when it becomes about who can create the smartest train to some obscure zone out and tag a mob, or who can sit in a pull path to make someone else concede, or who can train and hope noone has FRAPS running, then its not "a competitive raid environment", then its stupidity, and I really can't blame someone for not wanting to be part of that.

I know members of FA have a different view, but I appreciate how Rampage has treated the tier 2-3 guilds on the server since they came into play, they've understood that even if the VP/NToV was shitshows, it didn't have to be shitshows when they interacted with us, normal decency could work in that regard - and as such, Rampage has been a pleasant acquaintance.

What I bolded describes Rampage. I am not talking about their average day to day players. I am talking about their leadership in general. I was in a skype call with Sirken, Derubel, Unbrella and Hokushin once. Hokushin literally yelled at us "I will fraps everything and petition your guild to death". True story. They were still IB at the time and this guy became Rampages' Guild Leader. It's why I take breaks from time to time. Winning in raiding here isn't about skill like it was on live. It's about winning petitions when your guild is struggling. Rules have gotten rid of emergent gameplay and you are forced to play in a box. Variance also makes playing in that box pretty unbearable at times.

But yeah petitionquest. It's what IB/Rampage does best when they lose. They call foul and petition everything. BTW it wasn't us that started those types of pulls in ToV. Me and others told Detoxx we could pull that way before Velious released. He wouldn't let us. Eventually the competition started doing it so we did it as well. Detoxx didn't believe GM's would allow us to pull that way because it wasn't a closed zone like VP. So he told us we couldn't do it. You are pointing the finger at the wrong group of players for why things occur the way they do.

[Culkasi]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What I bolded describes Rampage. I am not talking about their average day to day players. I am talking about their leadership in general. I was in a skype call with Sirken, Derubel, Unbrella and Hokushin once. Hokushin literally yelled at us "I will fraps everything and petition your guild to death". True story. They were still IB at the time and this guy became Rampages' Guild Leader.

It's what they do when they lose. They call foul and petition everything. BTW it wasn't us that started those types of pulls in ToV. Me and others told Detoxx we could pull that way before Velious released. He wouldn't let us. Eventually the competition started doing it so we did it as well. Detoxx didn't believe GM's would allow us to pull that way so he told us we couldn't do it. You are pointing the finger at the wrong group of players for why things occur the way they do.

All I am doing is describing what I see from my position - everytime, and I do mean every single time, I have dealt with Rampage (or Taken) since launch of Velious it has been cordial, friendly, and respectful, and most importantly, mindful of the way we play the game - something we never get when dealing with "competition", who blatantly talks about how the goal is to crush everyone into obliteration and that all smaller guilds should merge into a big guild so they can get ST loot before someone wakes Sleeper, without realizing that we don't give a hoot about that, as long as we can get to slowly progress through content without having to deal with trainquest everytime we run into "competition".

When the sole goal of your existence is to "beat" or "crush" another guild, then you are playing the game in a way I just can't subscribe to. Rampage understood that, no matter what other flaws you think they had when dealing with "competition".

[Culkasi]

Originally Posted by Prismaticshop [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Give us a break. TR RMT'd off P99 saying the exact same thing once they got their asses kicked in VP. It's just another sorry ass excuse since they got beat.

Rampage is such a pleasant acquaintance that they just shit on every single P99 player by waking the sleeper up and now leaving in a mass RMT wave.

I don't care why they left, its up to them, its a 16 year old elf simulator, who really cares why they left? The e-penis measuring about who is the best and who ran who off the server is pointless, we are trying to have fun, doing something recreational after work. All I care about is how Europa, and other more causal raiding guilds and their members, are treated in the actual game, and Rampage always did good on us, and I respect that. What they did to Forsaken, and Forsaken did to them, well, I wasn't there often enough to comment on it.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All I am doing is describing what I see from my position - everytime, and I do mean every single time, I have dealt with Rampage (or Taken) since launch of Velious it has been cordial, friendly, and respectful, and most importantly, mindful of the way we play the game - something we never get when dealing with "competition", who blatantly talks about how the goal is to crush everyone into obliteration and that all smaller guilds should merge into a big guild so they can get ST loot before someone wakes Sleeper, without realizing that we don't give a hoot about that, as long as we can get to slowly progress through content without having to deal with trainquest everytime we run into "competition".

When the sole goal of your existence is to "beat" or "crush" another guild, then you are playing the game in a way I just can't subscribe to. Rampage understood that, no matter what other flaws you think they had when dealing with "competition".

What are you even talking about ? I personally never wanted to "Crush" anyone. I've always been a proponent of a system that benefits everyone. Again the "Trainfest" you talk about in ToV started out with Taken trying to pull mobs to LTK zone out. Neither Rampage nor Forsaken were the first to do it even though I am sure both sides knew how to a lot better than what Taken was trying to do at the time (Not a knock on them just they hadn't spent as much time in there).

When I have been around Europa in the raid scene (rarely) We usually are cordial with each other and when we make a mistake we give you guys an opportunity at the mob. I know we did for sure on a Velketor. I can count on one hand probably the amount of times I have been at a raid and seen Europa there though so I am a bit confused.

[Culkasi]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What are you even talking about ? I personally never wanted to "Crush" anyone. I've always been a proponent of a system that benefits everyone. Again the "Trainfest" you talk about in ToV started out with Taken trying to pull mobs to LTK zone out. Neither Rampage nor Forsaken were the first to do it even though I am sure both sides knew how to a lot better than what Taken was trying to do at the time (Not a knock on them just they hadn't spent as much time in there).

When I have been around Europa in the raid scene (rarely) We usually are cordial with each other and when we make a mistake we give you guys an opportunity at the mob. I know we did for sure on a Velketor. I can count on one hand probably the amount of times I have been at a raid and seen Europa there though so I am a bit confused.

I am not really having a dig at you in person, but when I talk about "crushing the opposition" and "forcing the small guilds to merge" and "I am going to go after your members" that's direct quotes from conversations with Forsaken leadership - and lately there have been quite a few interactions, both for Europa and for other smaller guilds, with Forsaken in raid environments, and they have not been pretty.

I am not really interested in who started trainfesting and cothing, I am interested in stopping it, and interested in it at least only happening on the raid where everyone apparently wants to play that way, and not let it trickle down to the more casual guilds who can't, and won't, subscribe to that culture.
With one of the top guilds leaving, this could be a perfect time to get together and talk about how to make the raid environment better, and more about allowing space and respect for each other - or we could let it turn into another scenario with only one guild/raidforce totally dominating content.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not really having a dig at you in person, but when I talk about "crushing the opposition" and "forcing the small guilds to merge" and "I am going to go after your members" that's direct quotes from conversations with Forsaken leadership - and lately there have been quite a few interactions, both for Europa and for other smaller guilds, with Forsaken in raid environments, and they have not been pretty.

I am not really interested in who started trainfesting and cothing, I am interested in stopping it, and interested in it at least only happening on the raid where everyone apparently wants to play that way, and not let it trickle down to the more casual guilds who can't, and won't, subscribe to that culture.
With one of the top guilds leaving, this could be a perfect time to get together and talk about how to make the raid environment better, and more about allowing space and respect for each other - or we could let it turn into another scenario with only one guild/raidforce totally dominating content.

You guys gotta stop taking Dottedup so serious.

[Culkasi]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys gotta stop taking Dottedup so serious.

You guys need to stop letting him be your voice if what he is saying is not reflecting your opinions