RELEASE LUCLIN ON RED

[SamwiseRed]

i thought the adding luclin thing was a troll. if srs lel.

[heartbrand]

First of all, to argue that p99 has higher pop because people like classic more is a dubious argument at best. The other servers don't have a reputation as non-wipe, hacker free, boxer free, environments. Many of us are on p99 for the sole reason that it's the most "legitimate" playing field.

As far as expanding the size of the world with a small player base, I'd argue again that in fact pop could go up for several reasons:

1) Velious will be opened up to the smaller guilds which has far more content for them to consume with worth while rewards than Kunark does. Many NToV items are still amazing in PoP. There's enough Velious content to support 2 raiding guilds once the top dog leaves for Luclin. This just wasn't the case in Kunark where most items were droppable and over farmed for three years, bringing their value down to near nothing.

2) Luclin, with the AA system, requires a massive grind from players, meaning many more people will be online. Right now I have the day off with the kids still away at school. I could log on and game a bit, but what is there to do? Absolutely nothing. Luclin provides a constant grind of AA's, which means more EXP groups, more newbs finding groups to level up with who are grinding AA's, and more PvP opportunities.

3) Luclin has a slower raid progression than Velious does, which means it takes far longer to "beat" it. Velious was proven beatable in Kunark gear. Luclin requires farming VT keys, Seru and Ssra bane weapons, and some gear progression. There's finally focus items for casters, bringing them closer into balance with Melee's. Tradeskill's begin to matter more, giving people more things to grind in off time. There's more groupable mobs in Luclin with worth while gear, something that was missing from Velious which is basically a raider's only expansion for the most part.

4) The Bazaar opens up the economy to newbs who have an almost impossible time of gearing up on P99, because the economy sucks here. There's no point for high level NToV geared players to sit around in NFP auctioning off 500pp items. But with the Bazaar, we can finally sell these items, and help people get started on this server. Many people love playing EQ solely for the AuctionQuest, and the Bazaar provides that to them.

Yes, the world would be bigger on a small server, that's definitely a concern, but my belief is that there would be far more people online, probably consistently 150-200 during Euro hours, and 350+ during prime. I'd rather pop like that with more zones, than 40 actual people online during Euro hours, and 120~ in non raid prime time hours.

Solutions like a wipe server or season server have been tried. You're basically asking for a Crushbone PvP box which has shown time and time again to have a low interest level and lasting power of 1-2 weeks max. While the verbal majority on the boards seems to be the chest beating PvP'ers [many of whom are anonymous all the time in game and never seen outside of PoM tree during raid hours], the silent majority are people who prefer PvE on a PvP server. The prospect of 150+ more PvEr's grinding out AA's and tradeskills and bane weapons and what not should be tantalizing to the PvPer's. Think of all the fresh bodies you can grief, particularly with some of the OP AA's [which of course can be tuned to be a bit more reasonable, like we have done with recharging and resists].

Do I think Luclin will ever happen on Project 1999? Nope. They're trying to figure out how to remove mouse wheel scroll and force the classic UI on us. But I think it would be damn fun. Velious has been a let down for PvP, which shouldn't be surprising, there just isn't that much to do in Velious outside of raids. Kunark at least offered the grind to level 60, the item farm in Seb / KC / Chardok. Velious has goals that can be achieved in a weeks time of casual play outside of the log in every window for SF/Lodizal/Scout. There just isn't enough to do in Velious outside of raids to justify logging in for. Luclin, and later on PoP, fixes that. PvPer's should want there to be PvE incentives for the bluebies to log in for, because that's when the Beastagor's of the world can start slam dunking unprepared newbs like myself.


The End.

[derpcake]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There just isn't enough to do in Velious outside of raids to justify logging in for.

there is quite a lot to do in velious, but the quests make kunark stuff obsolete, so its replacement content rather then additional content

anyway, i considered following things
- how long did it take to prepare velious
- how long has velious been out

Luclin 2020

what a joke of an idea

[SamwiseRed]

I love all the people that were saying how long Velious would lastm it's the greatest xpac of all time, ect. It's not even been a year yiKes. If people didn't rush the content like their life depended on it, there would still be more to do. Lifers zerg the shit out of content then complain about boredom. Srs or ??

[miraclegrow2]

100 AA took 6 months at luclin speed unless you had a friend with an earthshaker that was great at pulling crypt of nadox.


I remember spending weeks kiting stupid umbral toilers to get manaburn, weeks.

weeks.

[easy_lee]

Originally Posted by derpcake [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there is quite a lot to do in velious, but the quests make kunark stuff obsolete, so its replacement content rather then additional content

I wish more people understood this. New content which invalidates old content doesn't help the game. What it does is increase the difference between veterans and new players, Raiders and casuals. For interesting PvP, that's the opposite of what you want. It's also artificial, since the gear is just arbitrarily better, much like WoW and it's gear scores. That's not interesting.

A purely classic server with PvP events for unique items, such as the ugly stick from a few years ago, is all this server needs to thrive. Our population size is best suited to classic content. Classic gear is the most balanced since it doesn't make melees shit on casters. And classic zones were some of the most interesting ones we have because, frankly, the original developers had no idea what they were doing. It was the most interesting time for the game, and there are no other servers, nor any other games, quite like it.

Velious on red is just a WoW PvP Server with worse graphics. Luclin would be no different.

[heartbrand]

classic saw the quickest drop off of any content. within a month the majority of the pop was gone. this is because classic can be beaten in 3 weeks.

[easy_lee]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

classic saw the quickest drop off of any content. within a month the majority of the pop was gone. this is because classic can be beaten in 3 weeks.

Classic saw the quickest drop because that's how every server for every game ever works. People try it because it's new, then they leave. And, in case you forgot, those were the days when people could loot gear off of each other, a rule which doesn't mesh well with a game built around progression.

[Slathar]

for the sake of my well being please do not introduce AAs on this server

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First of all, to argue that p99 has higher pop because people like classic more is a dubious argument at best. The other servers don't have a reputation as non-wipe, hacker free, boxer free, environments. Many of us are on p99 for the sole reason that it's the most "legitimate" playing field.

This.

Using the corrupt and infested p2002 project as an example of how people aren't interested in Luclin is laughably ignorant. I'm a little shocked. I guess that is what makes up our capitalist marketplace, the "uninformed" consumer.

The 99 brand are the most legitimate servers, nothing else is even remotely close to it as far as legitimacy goes.

I'm actually still sick someone referenced p2002 as a counter argument. Gross.

I'll hit on some more points later.