Paris attack thread

[Nastinate]

I am advocating we accept responsibility for our problems and that we have empathy for thier's. We tell them how to live but don't give a fuck if they die. They know this. and they fucking hate us for it.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. Shut the fuck up with your race card bullshit/.

2. we cause these problems: http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...vilians-report

3. Obama armed ISIS http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/0...Has-Armed-ISIS

This is just a stupid cycle that you people (who happen to be OPENLYL racist) want to keep engaging in. HMM I WONDER WHY. Is it becuse you're ignorant? or do you enjoy to read about people being killed?

If I were a betting man, I'd wager that Lune would be happier never hearing about the middle east ever again.
Unfortunately the reality is that Islam by nature will attempt to subvert and spread by any/all means necessary and as has been shown multiple times to be completely incompatible with western society.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and spread by any/all means necessary and as has been shown multiple times to be completely incompatible with western society.

oh yea and our join or die largest military force on the planet shooting missles arming psycotics while sheltered nerds post GET EM GET EM on the internet ad nauseam isnt identical.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unfortunately the reality is that Islam by nature will attempt to subvert and spread by any/all means necessary and as has been shown multiple times to be completely incompatible with western society.

It just isn't ready for primetime.

Sharia is anti-capitalist. Moderates passively supporting Sharia are the issue were trying to tackle with integration. If we can turn enough moderates against Sharia then Islam won't need a Reformation into the new age. Governments are operating under the belief that many do assimilate, there was a good article on UK Islamic immigration regarding certain neighborhoods and cities beliefs and behavior in a recent issue of the Economist periodical.

The Economist is a great periodical for current world issues and news I'd highly recommend it btw. Its incredibly well edited, no spin, and the economic lens is undetectable in its articles. Its not what you would think by the name of the periodical.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. Shut the fuck up with your race card bullshit/.

2. we cause these problems: http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...vilians-report

3. Obama armed ISIS http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/0...Has-Armed-ISIS

This is just a stupid cycle that you people (who happen to be OPENLYL racist) want to keep engaging in. HMM I WONDER WHY. Is it becuse you're ignorant? or do you enjoy to read about people being killed?

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you not understand that the US government has played an instrumental role in the Syrian civil war by funding and training the rebels? That we have done the same in Libya? This isn't comparable to some Viking raid that happened a thousand years ago. US imperialism is directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Arabs in the past five years. All so we could have an oil pipeline through Syria to Europe from Saudi Arabia rather than Iran so the corporations that run our government can make more money.

Would Muslim Arabia be a shining beacon of liberalism without Western interference? Of course not. But to imply that the US and the West are blameless here is pretty hypocritical.

I know this. Do you think I want the US to have anything to do with the Middle East? You think I don't know our foreign policy is completely retarded?

No matter what the cause, we have a responsibility to defend the West from terrorism. And given Muslim values, I'd be willing to bet that even if we hadn't interfered in the Middle East historically, Westerners would still be dying to extremists today. Dutch and French cartoonists were killed simply for drawing a cartoon.

And IYRD if you want to call me a racist why don't you explain to me why this isn't true:

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One is a religion that heavily influences many cultures.

The other is a race.

Also nobody is saying all Muslims are terrorists, only that (for the 10th time this thread) Islamic cultures tend to be more conducive to religious violence. I take issue with the behaviors and beliefs that characterize these cultures, and I will explain why.

I feel like, even though when I took Anthropology I had cultural relativism drilled into my head and I believed it for years, you seriously need to bring yourself to understand culture. Understand the difference between culture and race, and the profound extent to which someone's culture influences the course of their life, and how it can evolve over time.

Consider the basic essence of what culture is:

There are two groups of humans living in a forest. Group A reveres fire, and devotes all its spare time to worshiping and experimenting with fire. Group B reveres wood, and spends its time worshiping trees and making things out of wood. Over several generations, due to group A's obsession with fire, they discover that if you put certain rocks in the fire, they will melt and make metal. Over a few more generations, they discover that you can shape this metal into a sharp, durable point that makes an incredible weapon or tool.

Group B, in spite of being just as ingenious as group A, are limited by the fact that wood simply doesn't have as many wondrous applications as metal. Due to their amazing new tools and weapons, group A is able to build a more complex society and their metal utterly outclasses group B in warfare and industry. Group A conquers group B and integrates/destroys their culture.

Group A and B are the same race of people, but which group was better at surviving in the forest? Why? How is this any different than one culture that highly values scientific exploration or educational attainment, and one that values pleasure and relaxation? Which one is going to achieve more? Are both cultures just as suitable for building a successful, advanced civilization?

Now apply this to the present situation. In the West, we endeavor to give our women many of the same rights as our men. Most Muslim cultures believe women should remain in the household with specific gender roles and limited rights. This is a Sharia provision. Pure cultural relativism says both these approaches have equal merit. I believe that is not true. I believe it's objectively better to give women rights, and I think societies that give their women rights end up being better societies. Now apply this to the full range of behaviors and beliefs that culture encompasses:

Political cartoons, educational attainment, courtship, how you treat the elderly, what age you should be when you have kids, how much you trust your neighbors, your faith in the government, your goals in life and the afterlife, dining customs. None of these things are dictated by your race, but by your culture. When you express disfavor for certain combinations of these things, you're expressing disfavor for a culture, not a race

Do you think it's fine that women aren't allowed to drive in many Middle Eastern countries, that they have minimal rights, often can't get an education, go out alone, or seek their own path in life? How would you like it if I called you racist because you disagreed with this treatment of women? As a very secular person, I disagree profoundly with the Sharia values that are so often part of Islamic cultures, and it pains me to watch a culture that I prefer make concessions and change itself to accommodate one that I dislike. Christian cultures, mainly in the West, tend to be more secular. Muslim cultures tend to be more fundamentalist. I'm a highly secular person. Even though not all Muslims are fundamentalist, a more fundamentalist culture is going to, on average, produce more fundamentalist people. Why the fuck would I approve of that culture? Not all Muslims are violent extremists, but most Muslims support Sharia law. Fuck that.

Cultural relativism is bullshit. Mulitculturalism, being founded on cultural relativism, is also bullshit.

[Jahdu]

http://bit.ly/1SrYC2z Very good summation of the situation in the Middle East.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It just isn't ready for primetime.

Sharia is anti-capitalist. Moderates passively supporting Sharia are the issue were trying to tackle with integration. If we can turn enough moderates against Sharia then Islam won't need a Reformation into the new age. Governments are operating under the belief that many do assimilate, there was a good article on UK Islamic immigration regarding certain neighborhoods and cities beliefs and behavior in a recent issue of the Economist periodical.

The Economist is a great periodical for current world issues and news I'd highly recommend it btw. Its incredibly well edited, no spin, and the economic lens is undetectable in its articles. Its not what you would think by the name of the periodical.

"Moderates "

The latest polling showed something like 80% of your precious "moderate muslims" want religion removed from freedom of speech. They want even questioning Islam to be a crime.

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by commercial grade [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That was a really dumb analogy. Also, Americans false sense of patriotism sickens me.

What do you mean by "false sense of patriotism"? I actually do love America. Some things are turning to shit but I still have hope and believe we can overcome the problems. I can't think of any other place I'd rather live, how about you?

P.S. I never thought I would say this, but.. I love you, Lune! Good posts.

Lol

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dutch and French cartoonists were killed simply for drawing a cartoon.

"simply drawing a cartoon." Maybe to some basement dweller who is disrespectful it is.

In Brazil they have a saying. "You have respect in Brazil, you keep your teeth." You need to respect some things.

"Satire" is for politicians and politics. It is not to spit on revered and hallowed religious beliefs.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

oh yea and our join or die largest military force on the planet shooting missles arming psycotics while sheltered nerds post GET EM GET EM on the internet ad nauseam isnt identical.

There gets a point where enough is enough. They gave integration a try, it failed miserably, about as miserably as communism.

They can have their Islam, just keep it the fuck away from civilized society and if they try to subvert us again they should be responded to appropriately like any other disease would be dealt with.