Casinos

[JayN]

down with illicit norrathian patronage; just say no to gambling casinos

[kruptcy]

Originally Posted by Olscratch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your prohibition stripped a classic feature from the server while you're claiming you've made it more classic. That's ain't right.

On Innoruuk during this time period casinos were banned. I understand that it was different server to server, but them banning casinos doesn't make it less classic, it makes them classic do a different server's standards.

RMTing was not really a problem during this era in live, it just wasn't as pervasive. Just as laws in the real world have to evolve to cover new inventions and innovations, so do the laws in our fantasy world. Just as 200 years ago there was no law against drinking and driving, and now there is, before there was not a need to curb RMTs, and now there is. No one is saying that it doesn't suck that a portion of the game that some people enjoyed needed to be removed in order to protect the legitimacy of the in-game economy; in fact, everyone involved in making the decision has expressed their sorrow that it had to be this way. The sad fact of the matter is, with current resources, it does HAVE to be this way. There are some great suggestions here about how to keep in-game player casinos going in a legitimate way, they would really work if Project 1999 could hire another full-time GM to police them. Unfortunately, they can't.

TL;DR version:

Everyone agrees it sucks, but there are legitimate reasons for banning casinos.
It does not make the server less classic.
Even though you have great ideas about how to make the system work, its best to just drop it and move on.

[kruptcy]

Originally Posted by zforrestal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok, so say for example the GM's put up a vendor that would give you any item you want and all the plat you want.. since the availability for everyone to get the same item has increased, the value of each item decreases.. now for this example could you see anyone taking the risk to sell or buy items with real money? Of course not.. why? Everything is available, which means it's worthless since anyone can get anything. I have changed the supply of plat and items, and I'm fairly confidant that no RMT's would happen if this was the scenario that the server decided to do....

of course that would never happen because the integrity of the game would be gone... but that handles your RMT issues.. so lets start making Vendors that give away free plat and items.

Great, so you have introduced unlimited availability of items into this scenario in an attempt to prove that increasing the availability of plat is a good strategy to curb RMTs. ALSO, you have constructed a straw-man argument regarding a vendor that gives you any plat and item you want. I am starting to get an idea that economics and well... basic logic? aren't your strong point. Go back to you original argument and defend that, or attempt to defend this argument that is ridiculous on its face, I don't care, but pick one. You are an idiot. Look forward to your response.

[teija]

I ran a legit casino on live on Tallon Zek and then on to Zek from 2000 till ~2005? Never had any problem with GMs/staff on live. not sure why staff would think prohibiting gambling would be "classic".

just my 2 cents.

[Clyve]

Let's change that "may add gambling npcs" to "will add gambling npcs."

That would be awesome as hell (also a way to pull plat out of the economy).

[JayN]

dudes lets get npcs that do everything for us for pp!

theyll be called buff bots no better yet mercs; this is genius !

[Clyve]

Originally Posted by JayN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

dudes lets get npcs that do everything for us for pp!

theyll be called buff bots no better yet mercs; this is genius !

An NPC with a gambling minigame and a shitty merc that wins the game for you are very different things.

[kevoh]

Originally Posted by kruptcy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just as 200 years ago there was no law against drinking and driving, and now there is.

WHO THE FUCK WAS DRIVING 200 YEARS AGO? AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TIME TRAVEL IS REAL!!!!!

[Tpar]

I don't see what the problem is. Apparently, from the evidence presented, on some servers in the classic period it was permitted, and in some servers, it was not. SO?

The server staff here has determined that its not permitted. They operate a free service. You don't have to pay ANYTHING to play. Donations are nice, but as I understand it, they are not required, nor could they require them even if they wanted to.

They set the rules. They can also change those rules. I never participated in the casinos. I routinely added them to my ignore list, so I didn't have to deal with the spam. (I have no problem with gambling, just with the spam)

If/when they (the GM's) choose to permit NPC gambling, you can get your fix.

[Ravager]

I'll bet you twenty plat I can get you gambling before the end of the day!