Noble Dojorn Timers

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In light of Taken's repeated actions regarding the Overseers, TMO sees no reason to abide by the former agreement that was in place. We came to Taken yesterday with reason, suggesting that they are in a critical position to either stand down and be part of the solution by setting a precedent and not engaging or they could continue to exacerbate the problem by continuing to kill OoA's. Unfortunately, Taken chose the former.

In response, TMO will now begin keeping noble timer and engaging Noble as an FFA target and continuing on with the freeti cycle (Noble>Overseer>Hand) until further notice. We apologize in this unfortunate circumstance, but if we are to accept Taken's logic as to why they killed Overseer's than we must treat this situation in concordance to that line of rationale.

I understand your perspective Unbrella. Can I make a suggestion? Might it be worth a go to say that we turn the entire server into an FFA FTE fest until we win this raid on ForumQuest? From this point forward its an FFA FTE (because it already is) and we actively attempt to get some full agreement from the GMs about enforcing the OOA hands off?

It seems Taken will not agree fully until we hear from a GM. TMO won't agree if Taken isn't and IB hasn't really fully committed. We can make a separate post with the changes that we want the GMs to enforce and ask that 1 officer from each guild only post *signed* on it to make it official. Once we get that signed off by every guild in the sky rotation we can get the GMs to see it (like a real petition) and give us the permission that this will go into effect on XX/XX date. Then we know precisely which date the changes are in effect and there will be no confusion whatsoever.

Until then, no one will need to worry about being called "Sky scums," or whatever else RnFs wants to throw around because we will all be of one mind.

Does that sounds workable?

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this makes no sense at all.

We have said from day 1 there is no agreement without players agreeing to a punishment should agreement to be broken.

but this is a great way to paint us as villains here when

TMO, the pinnacle of raiding, cant handle missing out on some Efreetis while not recognizing that a real deal, something clearly defined that holds guilds accountable is still currently not in place. Classy.

A. We did not break the original agreement, and once it was broken a new one needed to be forged with real tangible accountability ( GM enforced )
B. We left OoA up last week and then he died but no one had a shit storm about that

A couple people chimed in they wouldnt kill Overseer but still no word about support for GM punishment should deal be broken.

It is unfortunate that TMO cannot see the forest past the trees.

It's not about painting anyone a villain. We don't give a shit if it was Taken, IB, Europa of BDA (If it was BDA, I'd just make an RNF about Chest).

The fact that we didn't cry about it when the OoA died kinda evidences how little we give a shit about Nobles to any extent. But, as long as every other guild is apparently starting to treat them as FFA (at least the top tier Class-R's and IB) we might as well join the fun until something is in place.

In fact, just do this, GM's enforce no killing OoA and nobles go on FFA/Class-R/Class-C like the rest of the server.

Til that happens - happy hunting.

[-Catherin-]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In fact, just do this, GM's enforce no killing OoA and nobles go on FFA/Class-R/Class-C like the rest of the server.

Til that happens - happy hunting.

Now this is something I would *happily* approve of and go along with.

[Drakakade]

Divinity would supportn=, "In fact, just do this, GM's enforce no killing OoA and nobles go on FFA/Class-R/Class-C like the rest of the server."

Great idea.

[Pint]

Eventually Taken is going to have to stop hiding behind the idea of gm enforcement, the staff is busy and they have no desire to police the server any more than they already do. The last agreement was largely a success and did not require any staff involvement. Maybe someone will spaz out again in 3 weeks and kill all the overseers again but why will that matter if multiple parties benefit from the agreement before that happens? All the extra stipulations and requirements y'all are piling on is doing nothing but further stalling our progress. The only rule we need is don't kill OoA, the server staff shouldn't even have the right to tell a guild they can't kill a mob in sky if they want to, that's outrageous. If a guild doesn't want to agree to preserving OoA then just come out and own your stance, nobody is buying what you're selling.

[-Catherin-]

Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Eventually Taken is going to have to stop hiding behind the idea of gm enforcement, the staff is busy and they have no desire to police the server any more than they already do. The last agreement was largely a success and did not require any staff involvement. Maybe someone will spaz out again in 3 weeks and kill all the overseers again but why will that matter if multiple parties benefit from the agreement before that happens? All the extra stipulations and requirements y'all are piling on is doing nothing but further stalling our progress. The only rule we need is don't kill OoA, the server staff shouldn't even have the right to tell a guild they can't kill a mob in sky if they want to, that's outrageous. If a guild doesn't want to agree to preserving OoA then just come out and own your stance, nobody is buying what you're selling.

except:

we were told if we could come to an agreement that they would enforce it.

[Pint]

Originally Posted by -Catherin- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

except:

we were told if we could come to an agreement that they would enforce it.

We can move forward without the staff if y'all just get on board already.

[Erati]

All of Class R is agreeing to what TMO just laid out

we are much closer to a GM enforceable policy than you realize.

And this isnt additional work because ( I know it will be a shock) no one will kill the Overseers!

So they will barely have to do anything at all except during the oft chance someone DOES kill them...then finally someone will have to be accountable for their decision that affects the other 10 guilds.

[Ella`Ella]

I posted this in RnF, but please tell me what you see here...

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[Erati]

TMO has access to encounter logs ?