Proposition For Raid Rules - Input Requested

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Excellent. Then we just wait for details.

edit: But seriously, this does make me want to find the post referring to that there would never be a GM enforced rotation on this server. It appears times have changed ^_^ Can't remember if it was nilbog sirken or rogean, though. Was one of the three.

2 of the three!

[radditsu]

I don't think a rotation will win the day. But the fact that a serious discussion about it is surprising. Given the server history. Lot of bloody wars fought for pixels

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think a rotation will win the day. But the fact that a serious discussion about it is surprising. Given the server history. Lot of bloody wars fought for pixels

Anything where a guild will have to "stand down" from engaging a target they are prepared to kill is a rotation. They are forfeiting their attempt due to outside rules.

[Bossman]

How should guilds that raid together be treated in a point scenario?

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Bossman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How should guilds that raid together be treated in a point scenario?

There still is a risk to not get your full point spread. Competition is still there. If they want to raid together to make it easier. Then they share a point bucket. If they want to go separate...they need to compete against each other. Do not think I am trying to give fe/ib (love my fe bros tho) an advantage with 440 points. If they want to split, They need to do the work like the a-team or bda would. With no help by others on the engage. No cheating or shennaigans.



Also all of this is NOT counting vp kills. The big 2/3 should be more focused on vp anyway.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There still is a risk to not get your full point spread. Competition is still there. If they want to raid together to make it easier. Then they share a point bucket. If they want to go separate...they need to compete against each other. Do not think I am trying to give fe/ib (love my fe bros tho) an advantage with 440 points. If they want to split, They need to do the work like the a-team or bda would. With no help by others on the engage. No cheating or shennaigans.



Also all of this is NOT counting vp kills. The big 2/3 should be more focused on vp anyway.

But how are points awarded? Guild size or per tag? If it's per tag you could simply have shell guilds that raid together. If it's per size (5 pts per member, or w/e) then you're again encouraging giant numbers in guilds monopolizing content. If it's guild caps with capped points, then you're encouraging hardcores with shell guilds.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But how are points awarded? Guild size or per tag? If it's per tag you could simply have shell guilds that raid together. If it's per size (5 pts per member, or w/e) then you're again encouraging giant numbers in guilds monopolizing content. If it's guild caps with capped points, then you're encouraging hardcores with shell guilds.

A raid system shouldn't care about the size of a guild. If they want to splinter then they should be prepared to work by what their TAG brings to the table.


I have not thought through the effects on multi guild raids. If they want to "help" a guild... outside of an "open" raid and not get loot.... thats fine. But if they get loot they need to spend points.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A raid system shouldn't care about the size of a guild. If they want to splinter then they should be prepared to work by what their TAG brings to the table.


I have not thought through the effects on multi guild raids. If they want to "help" a guild... outside of an "open" raid and not get loot.... thats fine. But if they get loot they need to spend points.

Sure, but you know that TMO and IBFE is massive. They could split into smaller guilds and get more points by whatever measure to spend on such targets.

edit: Also, I realize there would most likely be provisions against such things, I'm simply trying to refine those provisions to make the spirit and letter of the rules become as close as possible.

[Yinikren]

Oh, and in the case of multi guild attempts on mobs, I would say that whoever gets awarded loot gets the points subtracted. If Nii and BDA team up to take down Gore, and a Nii pally gets the scale and BDA gets a bracer, both guilds would pay Gore's cost. Last weekend where A team and Taken were together in sky, but A team did not take any loot, then Taken would pay the cost of nobles. Etcetera.

[Yinikren]

I would like to think that GMs would catch on quickly to prevent a guild splintering solely for the purpose of more mob attempts. There's a reason I haven't acknowledged bob guild in a post yet, they have to earn their spot for points - how I am sure we can decide as a server.

It could even be a time thing - a guild has to exist for 6 months before they can claim they want points for raid attempts, or some such rule.