Raid Scene Poll

[Jesseca]

Stop training
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I think the key word here is Respect. Not enough of that going around these days. If everyone would Respect a guilds claim to a mob as most do with the exp camps then Norath would be a much more fun place to spend our free time.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Gear is only one part of the game and it's a small part.

Just because the gain is small doesn't mean it's nonexistent. TMO continued to do what they were doing so they wouldn't have to worry much (any) about competition in Velious.

The more well off the members are in gear, plat, status, characters, etc the better the guild is and the happier everyone wearing at TMO tag is.

You keep whining about how things are because you're unhappy with your guild and TMO keeps whining about how you guys are because they are happy with their guild.

That is a minimalist view of it.

Also TMO is was past the point where they needed to worry about guild matching them in gear before Velious drops almost a year ago. They have been set for awhile especially if their dormant players do return for Velious. Again they played under the rules and there was nothing wrong with that. The stance they took however alienated a lot of people from feeling any remorse when they did get nuked.

No one is whining for pointing out the facts of the situation FYI.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is a minimalist view of it.

Also TMO is was past the point where they needed to worry about guild matching them in gear before Velious drops almost a year ago. They have been set for awhile especially if their dormant players do return for Velious. Again they played under the rules and there was nothing wrong with that. The stance they took however alienated a lot of people from feeling any remorse when they did get nuked.

No one is whining for pointing out the facts of the situation FYI.

You keep talking about gear as if it matters and understood nothing.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You keep talking about gear as if it matters and understood nothing.

I mention gear because it is the excuse many still in TMO use. They say they were after gear for newer members. It is about gearing or stopping another guild from getting geared however. Choose which excuse is convenient for you that is what has been stated by members. There is no prestige left (For TMO) to still be killing Trak and VP. They proved they could do it. At this point it is about stifling growth of other guilds for competition. Which in turn hurts the whole server.

[MaksimMazor]

My level 8 cleric needs Donal's BP

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mention gear because it is the excuse many still in TMO use. They say they were after gear for newer members. It is about gearing or stopping another guild from getting geared however. Choose which excuse is convenient for you that is what has been stated by members. There is no prestige left (For TMO) to still be killing Trak and VP. They proved they could do it. At this point it is about stifling growth of other guilds for competition. Which in turn hurts the whole server.

You talk about things that don't matter because others are doing it... gotcha.

Look, it's about keeping your guild happy. TMO has to gear new recruits to keep raiding to keep the members that want to keep raiding happy. The reasons behind every small aspect doesn't matter, the goal is to keep the people with the same tag as you satisfied while everyone is stuck in the kunark groundhog day that is p99.

Keeping a machine like TMO happy requires things not seen before on any live server, because no live server was stuck with so few raid mobs for so long with no end in sight. Releasing Velious without raid content would do more harm than good, but staff have been wrong with many of their calls (lol Variance helps casuals!), so it doesn't surprise me that they'd go with something like that. TMO would just farm the hell out of every worthwhile nonraid target/quest/camp/ground spawn/etc and kill classic/kunark raid content (which is what every single other guild would want to do do, but couldn't because they don't have the right members [they all joined TMO])

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You talk about things that don't matter because others are doing it... gotcha.

Look, it's about keeping your guild happy. TMO has to gear new recruits to keep raiding to keep the members that want to keep raiding happy. The reasons behind every small aspect doesn't matter, the goal is to keep the people with the same tag as you satisfied while everyone is stuck in the kunark groundhog day that is p99.

Keeping a machine like TMO happy requires things not seen before on any live server, because no live server was stuck with so few raid mobs for so long with no end in sight. Releasing Velious without raid content would do more harm than good, but staff have been wrong with many of their calls (lol Variance helps casuals!), so it doesn't surprise me that they'd go with something like that. TMO would just farm the hell out of every worthwhile nonraid target/quest/camp/ground spawn/etc and kill classic/kunark raid content (which is what every single other guild would want to do do, but couldn't because they don't have the right members [they all joined TMO])

That is exactly the BS view (bolded part to keep you on track) many get alienated by. The rest is hyperbole from you past that to create a false strong impression to excuse actions. I honestly don't blame TMO or it's members for doing what they did under the former rules. It was simply the way they chose to play the game. It just (As I pointed out) alienated them from most of the server largely because of the troll's in the guild responses to people who attempted to compete with them. I simply in the thread stated let's not pretend it was solely to gear up new members.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You talk about things that don't matter because others are doing it... gotcha.

Look, it's about keeping your guild happy. TMO has to gear new recruits to keep raiding to keep the members that want to keep raiding happy. The reasons behind every small aspect doesn't matter, the goal is to keep the people with the same tag as you satisfied while everyone is stuck in the kunark groundhog day that is p99.

Keeping a machine like TMO happy requires things not seen before on any live server, because no live server was stuck with so few raid mobs for so long with no end in sight. Releasing Velious without raid content would do more harm than good, but staff have been wrong with many of their calls (lol Variance helps casuals!), so it doesn't surprise me that they'd go with something like that. TMO would just farm the hell out of every worthwhile nonraid target/quest/camp/ground spawn/etc and kill classic/kunark raid content (which is what every single other guild would want to do do, but couldn't because they don't have the right members [they all joined TMO])

So if TMO stopped raiding right now, with their mains and alts in BiS gear, they wouldn't be happy?

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So if TMO stopped raiding right now, with their mains and alts in BiS gear, they wouldn't be happy?

Some maybe, some wouldn't. The gear isn't a big deal to the ones who like to raid and experience the camaraderie that goes along with it. There is a difference between raiding for loot and raiding for the fun of it and I can tell you no one in TMO that's been there holding it down since the start cares what the rest of the server gets or doesn't get. There are very few, but even those, raid because they enjoy the competition.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is exactly the BS view (bolded part to keep you on track) many get alienated by. The rest is hyperbole from you past that to create a false strong impression to excuse actions. I honestly don't blame TMO or it's members for doing what they did under the former rules. It was simply the way they chose to play the game. It just (As I pointed out) alienated them from most of the server largely because of the troll's in the guild responses to people who attempted to compete with them. I simply in the thread stated let's not pretend it was solely to gear up new members.

Look, you understand nothing about what TMO went through to get to where they are, you don't understand why they even continue to raid and you don't know why they act the way they do toward the rest of the server. Literally a waste of my time trying to inform you.