Lol, this isn't going to change anything.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wipe it clean. Start over.

This forum needs a rule for how long it takes for an argument to devolve to this suggestion. Maybe the "Bush Towers Rule"?

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shit was classic. I'm at work. it's not worth typing up an essay from my phone. You don't like it? Deal with it.

I was just going to quote Alarti in response but I think that mighta gone over your head.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ehhh this isnt correct. While I agree we structured our guild around variance.... if no variance ever existed it is impossible to predict how the raid scene would have turned out.
Without variance we would have structures ourselves differently, as would competition and new problems would exist. So basically you should put that sledge down and start fine-tuning your thoughts [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No variance = less toon overhead + more autofire keyboards

[Kagatob]

Sidestep all you want. I honestly don't care any more. There are people in this thread who get it. The collective community has the same attitude. You are fighting a losing battle. TMO is out. Logical next step would be to remove FTE. What purpose does it even serve with a raid rotation anyway mr. "expert"?

[Lammy]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At least Alarti argues the actual substance of things sometimes.

My argument is taking into consideration how things are, not how you want them to be. I 100% comprehend and 50% agree with what you're saying.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sidestep all you want. I honestly don't care any more. There are people in this thread who get it. The collective community has the same attitude. You are fighting a losing battle. TMO is out. Logical next step would be to remove FTE. What purpose does it even serve with a raid rotation anyway mr. "expert"?

Guilds need to agree on something. A full rotation may not be something you could put in front of a gm/rogean saying "this is what your raiders want and will agree to if you will help us a little. Your job will be easier."

We have people who want to race/compete fairly. We have fte tools in place. It would be an agreement you could put in place today. Signed off by most non TMO guilds. But ya know.....effort.

[Lammy]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO is out.

I'm not sure where you got this? TMO is down 4 members and when the raid suspension and accounts are back active, will be back to raiding again...

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We have people who want to race/compete fairly. We have fte tools in place. It would be an agreement you could put in place today. Signed off by most non TMO guilds. But ya know.....effort.

For the billionth time. FTE not classic. If you are using FTE you are not playing EverQuest. I don't know why that drum keeps getting beaten.

If TMO comes back and tries the same shit they did before Velious will release without raid content anyway so any theoretical need for FTE is lost there.

The post-TMO style raid scene needs to be revolutionarily different if you want it to be a positive success in the future, choosing to rely on the tools that perpetuated the broken system of the past is not the way to get there.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Yapas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People on this forum believes too much in Disney or Dora the explorer.

I cannot wait the first QQ from BDA & other guilds when they will realize that FE/IB will vampirize 80% of contents (without be able to kill Nexona & Hoshkar even if they continue to raid together). You will only have bones without any meat on it, the new virginity of IB will fall soon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nexona and Hoshkar down to FE/IB today, Hoshkar went down like the slut he is on our first attempt. Was lots of fun, I really look forward to seeing what VP will be like without the douschebaggery/training. I feel like it will bring a lot more clean and fun competition to the raid scene; should people be able to work together and not act like children.

Hope to see you guys recover and start raiding VP again, theres no reason we all can't get pixels and still have legitimate competition on a weekly basis. BDA actually got a very nice attempt at Druushk the other day, dropping him below 50% health with 18 people(I think only 16 were actually engaged on druushk.)

[Kushie]

Originally Posted by Itap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shut the FUCK up