Time to End Account Buying/Selling?

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just think what some of those velious droppables are going to sell for on day 1...

What's that HS key part called? "Jade Chodikai Prod" or something? The first week of Kunark there was a guy in LOIO advertising it at 20k for a good while.

I hate to think what some of the "me first" pixels will sell for... people going to feel quite deflated with Velious I think in terms of the buy/sell market.

[Vexenu]

This thread has conclusively demonstrated that there are zero compelling arguments in favor of account selling. All we're hearing in its defense is things like:

"It's fun for me, don't ruin my fun."

"It's too late to ban it now."

"Account selling is a pp sink that reduces inflation on items."

"If it is banned it will just go underground."

"Without account selling, every zone will be taken over by PLers."

These arguments range from the selfish, to the inane to the absurd. It's patently obvious that the only people defending account selling are....wait for it...the people who have made a ton of plat from it! Who would have thought? No one wants to see their personal cash cow disappear.

A little intellectual honesty, though, please. If you're going to defend something, at least be straightforward as to your motive. In this case, the motive would be that it's an easy way for already rich players to make plat by flipping accounts. Secondarily, it's an easy way for lazy players to experience multiple classes as high levels.

But guess what? You're not entitled to an easy way to make plat. You're not entitled to play each class at a high level without leveling it yourself.

We're all here to play Everquest in a manner that's as close to the spirit of classic as possible. I'm sure that account selling has benefits to a small number of people who regularly engage in it, but it is far and away one of the least classic elements of the server, and one of the most destructive to the community experience. We gain a great deal more by banning it than we lose.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What's that HS key part called? "Jade Chodikai Prod" or something? The first week of Kunark there was a guy in LOIO advertising it at 20k for a good while.

I hate to think what some of the "me first" pixels will sell for... people going to feel quite deflated with Velious I think in terms of the buy/sell market.

That was when kunark first came out and the most people had were probably a few hundred k. now with multiple people having multiple millions... I really cant imagine how insane everything velious will be.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread has conclusively demonstrated that there are zero compelling arguments in favor of account selling. All we're hearing in its defense is things like:

"It's fun for me, don't ruin my fun."

"It's too late to ban it now."

"Account selling is a pp sink that reduces inflation on items."

"If it is banned it will just go underground."

"Without account selling, every zone will be taken over by PLers."

These arguments range from the selfish, to the inane to the absurd. It's patently obvious that the only people defending account selling are....wait for it...the people who have made a ton of plat from it! Who would have thought? No one wants to see their personal cash cow disappear.

A little intellectual honesty, though, please. If you're going to defend something, at least be straightforward as to your motive. In this case, the motive would be that it's an easy way for already rich players to make plat by flipping accounts. Secondarily, it's an easy way for lazy players to experience multiple classes as high levels.

But guess what? You're not entitled to an easy way to make plat. You're not entitled to play each class at a high level without leveling it yourself.

We're all here to play Everquest in a manner that's as close to the spirit of classic as possible. I'm sure that account selling has benefits to a small number of people who regularly engage in it, but it is far and away one of the least classic elements of the server, and one of the most destructive to the community experience. We gain a great deal more by banning it than we lose.

give me ONE REAL reason it should be banned, all ive heard from people are it should be banned because either they dont like it, or they believe its stopping people from leveling alts and harming exp groups which is nothing but personal opinion.

Where is the harm?

[stonez138]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok, finally a decent argument in favor of this. Banning account sales will probably make it less likely that we see cheaters succeed in the game because it will be harder for them to get back into the swing of things when their 60 gets banned. That makes sense.

Guy acts all smart yet it took him this long to realise this?

[Rhambuk]

There are an INSANE amount of accounts for sale today....

the only real issue i have is the anonymity of it, i believe if your going to sell an account you should A) have to make the post with your primary forum account, no first posters and B) have to list the name of the characters on the account.

Would cut down on the number of auctions when guilds see mains trying to sell characters..

[stonez138]

^^^

give me ONE REAL reason it should be banned, all ive heard from people are it should be banned because either they dont like it, or they believe its stopping people from leveling alts and harming exp groups which is nothing but personal opinion.

[Issues]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

. Secondarily, it's an easy way for lazy players to experience multiple classes as high levels.

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This line stuck out to me.

Not sure how a guy sitting in a chair playing a video game is more lazy for not wanting to spend weeks leveling another toon or simply having the platinum so he doesn't have to.

If anything, sitting in a chair, playing a video game is lazy and saving weeks of time leveling up another toon, might give you more time to not sit in a computer chair, playing a video game, being lazy.

Do rich people in real life do mundane activities or do they pay someone to do it for them?

Yeah I said real life since you brought up the word "lazy" when referring to the human body entertaining itself while in a stationary position accomplishing nothing else but self satisfaction.

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

give me ONE REAL reason it should be banned, all ive heard from people are it should be banned because either they dont like it, or they believe its stopping people from leveling alts and harming exp groups which is nothing but personal opinion.

Where is the harm?

I won't give you one. I'll give you eight, which I posted on page 5 of this thread:

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1) It eliminates the importance of reputation, since a banned player can simply buy a new account
2) Encourages cheating, for the same reason
3) Turns the raid scene into a farce that is largely based on accumulating accounts and camping them out at raid targets
4) Artificially de-populates the lower levels of the game since fewer people level alts, which hurts new players
5) Contributes to the top-heavy nature of the server since accounts don't necessarily leave when players do
6) Is a major conduit for RMT, and is much more difficult to detect since suspicious in-game transfers don't need to take place
7) Artificially increases the demand and market price of mid to high-end gear, since it is being constantly bought and sold to outfit stripped chars people purchased
8) Eliminates feelings of community since character/player identities are so transient and ultimately meaningless

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by stonez138 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^^^

i just dont like it, it doesnt change anything other than you know more about the sale.