Time to End Account Buying/Selling?

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Hawala [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What I can't get over is the incredibly low price of accounts.

100k for a lvl 55 Wizard? What!?

No thanks, I'd rather farm 1 fungi tunic.

Some people don't have the time to sit at one camp for hours on end, just a few hours here and there to level up. Used to be a great way for casuals to make money but screw them right? back to farming seafuries to try and save for that fungi. If only people could play the way they wanted....

not aiming at you just using fungi example =p

[Dirtnap]

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some people don't have the time to sit at one camp for hours on end, just a few hours here and there to level up. Used to be a great way for casuals to make money but screw them right? back to farming seafuries to try and save for that fungi. If only people could play the way they wanted....

not aiming at you just using fungi example =p

If people could play the way they wanted, I would be twoboxing right now.

This argument that account traders should be allowed to because they enjoy it, irritates me. This can be used as the same exact argument for two-boxing, and yet its not so vehemently argued.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Dirtnap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If people could play the way they wanted, I would be twoboxing right now.

This argument that account traders should be allowed to because they enjoy it, irritates me. This can be used as the same exact argument for two-boxing, and yet its not so vehemently argued.

2boxxing would actually be detrimental to the server.

banning account sales merely removes a minor annoyance that "ruins" some peoples immersion. its not going to stop anything except the people that don't like it wont have to look at it anymore.

I'm just glad I don't plan on leveling up another char, fighting with powerlevelers for mobs was never really fun for me...

[Dirtnap]

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2boxxing would actually be detrimental to the server.

banning account sales merely removes a minor annoyance that "ruins" some peoples immersion. its not going to stop anything except the people that don't like it wont have to look at it anymore.

I'm just glad I don't plan on leveling up another char, fighting with powerlevelers for mobs was never really fun for me...

The arguments for two-boxing and account sales are exactly the same. Less grouping, more PLing, more soloing, fun for one person but not others.

The only people who want account sales to stay in so badly are the people selling/trading the accounts. Newbies don't have the PP to be buying up accounts and removing account sales only effects the top level players who don't want to level up another character.

This results in less people leveling up which causes less people to group together, which causes more people to roll solo classes, which causes less people to group together, which repeats the cycle until people just quit from frustration.

TL;DR High end players already invested time and are more likely to stick around, newbies will see this fucked up cycle and split earlier than later. The high end players eventually burn out on the lack of more content / competition between guilds and quit.

EDIT: I forgot to add that there are so many high level accounts circulating around on this server, that people aren't leveling and selling as many characters as you think. They just get rotated around the server.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Hawala [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What I can't get over is the incredibly low price of accounts.

100k for a lvl 55 Wizard? What!?

No thanks, I'd rather farm 1 fungi tunic.

I know that every account I've ever sold I sold because I didn't want to play the characters on that account anymore. I assume that is how it goes for most people.

Of course the time invested to level anything from 1-50 is worth more, in terms of "farming time at level 60," than the sale price of the account. But you've already invested the time into that account and you aren't going to use it anymore, so you might as well get something out of it.

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know that every account I've ever sold I sold because I didn't want to play the characters on that account anymore. I assume that is how it goes for most people.

Of course the time invested to level anything from 1-50 is worth more, in terms of "farming time at level 60," than the sale price of the account. But you've already invested the time into that account and you aren't going to use it anymore, so you might as well get something out of it.

What you get out of it is a level 60 character and all of the content items and abilities that come with it. Maybe you would not be so bored with the account or find no use for it if it were not so easy to just obtain another max level toon. It teaches you to appreciate your character.

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What you get out of it is a level 60 character and all of the content items and abilities that come with it. Maybe you would not be so bored with the account or find no use for it if it were not so easy to just obtain another max level toon. It teaches you to appreciate your character.

Appreciate my character? Hahahaha. That's such a puerile sentiment--this romantic notion that what you do in EQ has some sort of existential meaning.

I've got news for you: all characters are just vehicles for me to have fun--and I appreciate them as such. I'm not learning any valuable life lessons by leveling another character. There is no honor in grinding and grinding and grinding--it's just what you tell yourself to make yourself feel morally superior. In my opinion the righteously indignant take this video game a bit too seriously.

[OMGWTF420]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Appreciate my character? Hahahaha. That's such a puerile sentiment--this romantic notion that what you do in EQ has some sort of existential meaning.

I've got news for you: all characters are just vehicles for me to have fun--and I appreciate them as such. I'm not learning any valuable life lessons by leveling another character. There is no honor in grinding and grinding and grinding--it's just what you tell yourself to make yourself feel morally superior. In my opinion the righteously indignant take this video game a bit too seriously.

u need to step your immersion levels up bro

[xCry0x]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Appreciate my character? Hahahaha. That's such a puerile sentiment--this romantic notion that what you do in EQ has some sort of existential meaning.

I've got news for you: all characters are just vehicles for me to have fun--and I appreciate them as such. I'm not learning any valuable life lessons by leveling another character. There is no honor in grinding and grinding and grinding--it's just what you tell yourself to make yourself feel morally superior. In my opinion the righteously indignant take this video game a bit too seriously.

This.

From playing mmo's since I was 12 I have learned 2 general overlying types of players exist.

1) Those who enjoy 'the grind' and take pride in leveling multiple characters.
2) Those who enjoy min/maxing their one character to hell. (This can be getting best in slot, farming a pile of money etc).

The people who fall into #1 hate then the people who fall into #2 trivialize their sense of accomplishment by buying accounts instead of leveling them.

The people who fall into #2 never understand why anyone would want to be in #1.

EQ also has a #3 category which is the EC trader who typically pisses #1 and #2 off buy never leveling past level 20, which upsets #1 and then buying/selling for all the best gear in the game without ever dealing with raids which pisses off #2.

All 3 of those people enjoy the game in their own way and it is not the place of anyone to sit on a high horse and demand the game be changed to benefit one over the other. All 3 play the game and simply invest their time differently.

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Appreciate my character? Hahahaha. That's such a puerile sentiment--this romantic notion that what you do in EQ has some sort of existential meaning.

I've got news for you: all characters are just vehicles for me to have fun--and I appreciate them as such. I'm not learning any valuable life lessons by leveling another character. There is no honor in grinding and grinding and grinding--it's just what you tell yourself to make yourself feel morally superior. In my opinion the righteously indignant take this video game a bit too seriously.

So you would be OK if the server decided to grief you with trains and stuff every time they saw you? I mean there is no meaning in any of the actions in this game, your character has no meaning, they don't affect anyone else s enjoyment and we don't need rules to ensure that others don't ruin the server. We should all just play the game we want even if that game is train barkingturtle to hell and back. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]