Half of FE's monks are suspended, Loses Trak when they have to compete

[baramur]

Originally Posted by cyryllis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

amazing, i get a batphone saying log in now we have FTE, ends up being a poor engage, and even after getting hit by AE I was easily able to back out of LOS, invis and move to a safe spot and camp.

then while trak is still engaged with TMO fte, FE goes in and fail engages- you realize if you had actually killed him the loot would be ours right? We were actually rooting for you to kill him for a bit for free loot =)

So tmo trained Fe raid force by engaging trak with a poor engage.

[Tanthallas]

Also, in regards to Helicopter...

Helicopter dies because all the juggs run at him. They do this after killing and summoning quite a few TMO. They have no problem getting to him. The reason he dies is because they get him low HP and Prot summons him.

Helicopter was on the aggro list of the juggs the whole time. Why was he not being summoned instead of TMO if he was bugging them out? Why is Trak killing TMO if he is chasing Helicopter? In order for Helicopter to be bugging him out, he would have to be first on the hate list of either...which is clearly not the case.

The only way this could be the case is if TMO is continously getting low hp agro and pinging him back. Seeing as Prot summons him the second he hits low hp, this is highly doubtful. Even if this is the case, however, how on earth are you trying to throw all possible blame on someone from another guild that is on the agro list of a mob that YOUR GUILD ENGAGED who is attempting to avoid YOUR ENGAGE by getting distance from a mob that was not his guilds engage?

I would think that if you were trying to engage trak, your warriors would hold agro on Trak...wouldnt you?

[cyryllis]

heres a good analogy:

guys go to rob a bank, get the money but get shot dead out in the parking lot, and as this is happening there is a separate group of people standing by who are like...shit there is money to be had...so they grab the bags and hop in their car. Police who shot the first group go chasing them down. They drive at 20 miles an hour and pull in to their property and run into the house. Cops bust in and shoot the whole family and their dog. Distant relatives blame other bank robbers for the deaths of their loved ones.

[baramur]

Trak was.standing on top poop hill and ae'd our entire raid force because tmo engaged and subsequently brought trak to poop hill.

[Autotune]

The only reason it looks like Trak is outside his lair is to cast a blind on helicopter btw, so you can blame him for "training" you.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by baramur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trak was.standing on top poop hill and ae'd our entire raid force because tmo engaged and subsequently brought trak to poop hill.

I watched both fraps and neither time was he on poop hill.

[baramur]

Bad analogy. How bout bank robbers hide money in innocent persons car, cops find money and shoot innocent family. Cops then give money back to bank robbers. Innocent family blaims bank robbers because they started the whole fiasco.

[AenarieFenninRo]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From the evidence gathered so far

Have yet to see any evidence of how trak got OUT of the lair, i've seen a couple shots of him under the mountain, both in the wall and on edge of path, but havent yet seen evidence of how he came out of the lair.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by cyryllis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

heres a good analogy:

guys go to rob a bank, get the money but get shot dead out in the parking lot, and as this is happening there is a separate group of people standing by who are like...shit there is money to be had...so they grab the bags and hop in their car. Police who shot the first group go chasing them down. They drive at 20 miles an hour and pull in to their property and run into the house. Cops bust in and shoot the whole family and their dog. Distant relatives blame other bank robbers for the deaths of their loved ones.

This is a poor analogy because in the case of Trakanon today it was impossible for FE to log out both having been hit by Trak AE and being subject to getting hit by Trak AE again.

I guess impossible is the wrong word...suicidal for their ability to engage Trak is better.

This is all moot, however...why FE was hit and subject to Trak AE in the first place is the problem here, not what FE does about it once it happens. If this logic is applied to every instance where a mob is trained onto another individual or group of people, the person at fault would always be the person or people trained and their inability to deal with it.

[baramur]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I watched both fraps and neither time was he on poop hill.

His wing was. But fine he was on the side of poop hill and his ae hit everyone on poop hill