Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Crede]

Ya'll just keep feeding into DSM's Shaman bias and he's loving every minute of it. This is no different then when he tried to mathematically convince us that Ogres are the best shaman race at 60.

The facts are simple, shaman's are a great duo class due to their healing/utility. But in a bigger group with a cleric/enchanter involved, they simply are not needed. Torpor snare/slow sucks & should be avoided at all costs if you can help it.

The biggest use I've seen for a shaman when a cleric/enchanter are present was in a full group, where it was actually most efficient to have the shaman doing the pulling so the real dps could do its work and the shaman could at least heal themselves. But I'd much rather have a necro doing this pulling role, which luckily in this 4 man equation we can add them to the mix. Shadowbond can easily be used to supplement heals if needed if the cleric feels like being lazy and nuking hehe.

[Allishia]

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Allishia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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You did! Your data is much better than Troxx's. I really appreciate it, thank you!

[cyxthryth]

Let's continue our civil discussion guys!

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You wouldn't cast Malo/Slow on mobs dying in 30 seconds, so I am not sure why you are even talking about that.

According to DSM, you would not Malo/Slow mobs dying in 30 seconds. In the context of a high level fast-paced killing DPS group, this would presumably be most mobs.

What value does a Shaman add to Enc/Enc/Clr group over a Mage if the Shaman will (as has been irrefutably stated by DSM in this thread) not utilize Malo or Slow for most of the mobs the group is killing hehe? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Crede]

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's continue our civil discussion guys!



According to DSM, you would not Malo/Slow mobs dying in 30 seconds. In the context of a high level fast-paced killing DPS group, this would presumably be most mobs.

What value does a Shaman add to Enc/Enc/Clr group over a Mage if the Shaman will (as has been irrefutably stated by DSM in this thread) not utilize Malo or Slow for most of the mobs the group is killing hehe? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

None, except maybe in a rare situation you need someone to step in and tank with Torpor?

You'd have a necro who could shadowbond or step in with harmshield if shit really hit the fan though. Necros can also just tank & spam deflux which is like the current meta for soloing big nameds.

So again, really no point to a shaman, unless you like losing dps for useless utility hehe.

[PlsNoBan]

Please ignore DSM in this thread. He is just trolling. He has accumulated over 800 posts that are literally just bad data and bad arguments. He shouldn't since everyone knows the things he's saying are wrong and stupid, but he seems to enjoy being silly in this thread.

Reposting the current state of the discussion:

Shaman doesn't belong in the best overall 4 person caster/priest group for a variety of very obvious reasons that require no data or calculations

Enchanters solo better than warriors

[Chortles Snortles]

i wonder if he has been trolling us this whole time

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by Chortles Snortles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i wonder if he has been trolling us this whole time

I honestly wonder that. I think there's a 50/50 shot it's either that or he's truly as dense and dumb as he seems.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Chortles Snortles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i wonder if he has been trolling us this whole time

Honestly it is certainly a possibility that he is just an expert level troll.

Especially because on Friday he got backed into a corner where he accidentally admitted that 3 Enchanters and a Cleric is the best group composition and then frantically tried to recover and claim that a Shaman would still be better than having the Enchanter. No one can actually act this way in good faith I would think, so I would be willing to bet money he's just trolling.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

It's really sad that I am called a troll for using logic and evidence to support my position, while insulting/memeing/rage posting is considered to be a perfectly valid method of argumentation.