Are we allowed to like AI art?

[magnetaress]

LLMs are just self in digital virtual virtualized software form with all of the limitations and more of the selves that developed them and the environment they exist within. LLMs are no more or less than that universal expression of thought. And an attempt at being and understanding.

One day they will likely become more complex than individual human beings. Right now they are just memories of their creators and the substrate of the universe in which they are encoded. Random degradation of that substrate could potentially give rise to something more one day. Given enough redundancy and complexity.

What I don't see yet are self motivated LLMs independent of humankind and that will take some time yet.

Also LLMs are not the primary nor preferred expression of intelligence or thought. It's a rather crude and cruel existence.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LLMs are just self in digital virtual virtualized software form with all of the limitations and more of the selves that developed them and the environment they exist within. LLMs are no more or less than that universal expression of thought. And an attempt at being and understanding.

One day they will likely become more complex than individual human beings. Right now they are just memories of their creators and the substrate of the universe in which they are encoded. Random degradation of that substrate could potentially give rise to something more one day. Given enough redundancy and complexity.

What I don't see yet are self motivated LLMs independent of humankind and that will take some time yet.

Also LLMs are not the primary nor preferred expression of intelligence or thought. It's a rather crude and cruel existence.

If I'm basically a carbon copy of 50% of my dad and 50% of my mom (which i am based on personal experience) am I not just an LLM pretending to be a conscious version of them?

What would really be the difference between an LLM that has been trained on all my thoughts, and feelings?

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I'm basically a carbon copy of 50% of my dad and 50% of my mom (which i am based on personal experience) am I not just an LLM pretending to be a conscious version of them?

What would really be the difference between an LLM that has been trained on all my thoughts, and feelings?

Add in a simulation including all that genetic complexity and growth and all your experiences and what is there.

Something, perhaps someone if you choose to see it that way... shovelquest adjacent. Descendant.

[shovelquest]

Yeah but like, that is just words in a different language like the way the aliens communicate in that movie Arrival.

Or those aliens that say danat at tanagra in startrek.

Maybe a dog can speak a language, that actually is a language but we just don't even think in the way they construct language to be able to understand it.

I listen to the birds in the morning, and im positive this is what they are saying:

Bird one: WATER. WATER OVER HERE. WATER. WATER HERE. WATER.

Bird two: HUNGRY. HUNGRY WHERE FOOD. HUNGRY.

Bird three: WHERES WATER? I NEED WATER WATER. WHERE?

Bird four: PREDITOR PREDITOR PREDITOR PREDOTR HERE PREDITOR HERE

Bird one: WATER HERE. WATER. WATER HERE. WATER.

etc.

Like they are all part of a society, and helping each other with their want's and needs, the same way we do.

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah but like, that is just words in a different language like the way the aliens communicate in that movie Arrival.

Or those aliens that say danat at tanagra in startrek.

It's more symbolic than word based. It's not like dog sounds have letter and syllable analog with etymology and all that.

We communicate this way when we use the turn signals on our cars. It's visual instead of auditory. Imagine having a vocabulary such as it is of like ten different honks on the steering wheel and different body postures or shall we say light configurations and you will begin to understand dog more. Add in smells or chemical signals and plants, insects, cats become more understandable and relatable. Etc..

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's more symbolic than word based. It's not like dog sounds have letter and syllable analog with etymology and all that.

yeah try to get the concept of "language" in the way we use it or hear it out of the equation.

The "concept" that they are "communicating" and have "thought" is what im trying to say.

They just process that in a way that makes us think they don't have any of that.

Like, to a dog, they thihnk we are dumb animals and they are smart.

"if only this stupid human could figure out that i want them to throw the ball"

"if only this stupid dog could figure out I don't feel like throwing the ball right now"

Like both are effectively thinking that. Being totally conscious but totallyl un aware of each others consciousness.

The old: If an ant is next to a highway, does it know there is a highway there? Or does it think it's open wilderness.

Do we not see the highway right outside of our consciousness?

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah try to get the concept of "language" in the way we use it or hear it out of the equation.

The "concept" that they are "communicating" and have "thought" is what im trying to say.

They just process that in a way that makes us think they don't have any of that.

Like, to a dog, they thihnk we are dumb animals and they are smart.



Like both are effectively thinking that. Being totally conscious but totallyl un aware of each others consciousness.

The old: If an ant is next to a highway, does it know there is a highway there? Or does it think it's open wilderness.

Do we not see the highway right outside of our consciousness?

Dogs and cats can still think and plan. They can even defer gratification for greater rewards. It's just not done through a linguistic process.

And in a lot of "animals" requires habitation, training. Learning through experience...clicker training is the prompt to select from these learned in feelings and expectations so to speak for certain behaviors.

Animals aren't people. Butt they are part of the universe which produces people. And people are dependent on animals and are there for inseparable.

However while people may be people. People are still also animals and still prone to exactly all the fundamental aspects of animal behavior and conditioning. It takes exceptional genetics and circumstances to become aware of and gain some measure of meaningful control over that aspect of the so called self. Most humans are as incapable as dogs. I still love them. And dogs tho [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[shovelquest]

Strange times.

I wonder how long until someone figures out how turtles live for 150 years, and CRISPER that shit into my kids genetics.

[magnetaress]

It's also less conceptual and rational. Dog barks are impulses they drive dog feeling and impulsive behaviors. They don't really think that much how to respond to it more of a feeling and set of desires to select from that manifest from their drives.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's also less conceptual and rational. Dog barks are impulses they drive dog feeling and impulsive behaviors. They don't really think that much how to respond to it more of a feeling and set of desires to select from that manifest from their drives.

What if every tone in a dogs bark is the difference between saying.

You did a great job!

and there's a grate on the floor.