Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Gloomlord]

Then stop deceiving yourself.

Shaman solo DPS capabilities is not a case for its group DPS capabilities. You have lost objectivity in your pathetic desire to avert the truth: shamans are mediocre at DPS.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then stop deceiving yourself.

Shaman solo DPS capabilities is not a case for its group DPS capabilities. You have lost objectivity in your pathetic desire to avert the truth: shamans are mediocre at DPS.

The only person deceiving themselves is you. You just keep saying my data is invalid, but you haven't provided one shred of evidence to back this up. Just saying something doesn't make it true.

You are convincing yourself this is the case by repeating it over and over again, rather than actually proving it with data. It is a very obvious self deception technique on your part.

It is part of your quest to prove me wrong at any cost.

The discussion is about a four man group. As long as the group's DPS hits the correct breakpoint, it doesn't matter which class does more DPS. If you are killing 20 mobs every 30 minutes with group composition A, and you are killing 20 mobs every 30 minutes with group composition B, DPS is no longer helping.

There are only two things that matter in Everquest when you boil it down: Kills per hour and number of camps your group can do. To maximize your gameplay, you want to increase both kills per hour and number of camps you can do. If a Mage offers you 50 kills per hour and 30 camp options, and a Shaman offers you 50 kills per hour and 35 camp options, the Shaman is better.

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[PlsNoBan]

Please ignore DSM in this thread. He is just trolling. He has accumulated over 800 posts that are literally just bad data and bad arguments. He shouldn't since everyone knows the things he's saying are wrong and stupid, but he seems to enjoy being silly in this thread.

Reposting the current state of the discussion:

Shaman doesn't belong in the best overall 4 person caster/priest group for a variety of very obvious reasons that require no data or calculations

Enchanters solo better than warriors

[Gloomlord]

The man has lost the game, but now he retreats within a psychosis where there are still people listening to his "wisdom".

Pathetic.

[cd288]

Yet again: DSM dies on the hill that shamans do better dps than mages. When proved wrong about dps, he changes the argument to “well the extra dps isn’t that beneficial so shaman is the better choice”

This dude changes arguments at the speed of light lol

The only positive to this is he’s so obsessed with the fact that he keeps being proven wrong in this thread that he spends all his time in here; so at least he’s inflicting his insufferable presence on us in other threads

[Kich867]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yet again: DSM dies on the hill that shamans do better dps than mages. When proved wrong about dps, he changes the argument to “well the extra dps isn’t that beneficial so shaman is the better choice”

This dude changes arguments at the speed of light lol

The only positive to this is he’s so obsessed with the fact that he keeps being proven wrong in this thread that he spends all his time in here; so at least he’s inflicting his insufferable presence on us in other threads

Not to be too pedantic but, he never actually said that, that was people being nerds or whatever.

His original statement was:

Shaman pet + Shaman DoTs deal good damage too, so it isn't like a Mage is putting out way more DPS. They are still mostly a single target DPS toon, like Shamans.

Again, Shaman pet is pretty tanky. 2400 HP (with FoS) and Torpor is no slouch when it comes to off-tanking.

But as I said before, level range matters. I agree Mage is better before 60.

He stated that mages deal better dps and that they're better pre-60. He pointed out that the mage dps is basically useless in the group anyways and his perspective was that shamans offer utility and, if didn't need to, could still provide some dps. This is all literally on the first page, people just lost their shit because it's DSM and they freak out apparently when this guy talks.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Kich867 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not to be too pedantic but, he never actually said that, that was people being nerds or whatever.

His original statement was:



He stated that mages deal better dps and that they're better pre-60. He pointed out that the mage dps is basically useless in the group anyways and his perspective was that shamans offer utility and, if didn't need to, could still provide some dps. This is all literally on the first page, people just lost their shit because it's DSM and they freak out apparently when this guy talks.

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[cd288]

Originally Posted by Kich867 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not to be too pedantic but, he never actually said that, that was people being nerds or whatever.

His original statement was:



He stated that mages deal better dps and that they're better pre-60. He pointed out that the mage dps is basically useless in the group anyways and his perspective was that shamans offer utility and, if didn't need to, could still provide some dps. This is all literally on the first page, people just lost their shit because it's DSM and they freak out apparently when this guy talks.

Nah man go read through all his posts if you ever have the time. He has literally made the argument of shamans being better dps than mages expressly

At one point he was also tricked into saying that three enchanters and a cleric is the best option and then backtracked when he realized what happened lol

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah man go read through all his posts if you ever have the time. He has literally made the argument of shamans being better dps than mages expressly

At one point he was also tricked into saying that three enchanters and a cleric is the best option and then backtracked when he realized what happened lol

I didn't. Kich is spot on. You just can't read and make stuff up lol.

Originally Posted by Kich867 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not to be too pedantic but, he never actually said that, that was people being nerds or whatever.

His original statement was:



He stated that mages deal better dps and that they're better pre-60. He pointed out that the mage dps is basically useless in the group anyways and his perspective was that shamans offer utility and, if didn't need to, could still provide some dps. This is all literally on the first page, people just lost their shit because it's DSM and they freak out apparently when this guy talks.

Great post, yet again.