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[Raev]

Originally Posted by feniin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

None of those things are true. Corporations do not pass the money they save in taxes down to their workers.

I did not say that they would. I said that lower corporate taxes would increase investment and thus grow American business, creating jobs. And they are.

Manufacturing is not coming back. Low skilled jobs will all be automated soon anyway.

Maybe it won't work, but I think we have to try. Some of us actually care about the plight of low skilled workers. Also, the St Louis Fed claims that we have 400,000 more manufacturing jobs than we did before Trump was elected, about a 3.5% increase over two years. And Trump really has only started with the tariffs. And before you give Obama credit for this, manufacturing jobs were essentially flat for the last two years he was in office.

Also, I'm going to assume you agree that a flood of illegal immigrants will lower wages for America's poor.

[feniin]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I did not say that they would. I said that lower corporate taxes would increase investment and thus grow American business, creating jobs. And they are.



Maybe it won't work, but I think we have to try. Some of us actually care about the plight of low skilled workers. Also, the St Louis Fed claims that we have 400,000 more manufacturing jobs than we did before Trump was elected, about a 3.5% increase over two years. And Trump really has only started with the tariffs. And before you give Obama credit for this, manufacturing jobs were essentially flat for the last two years he was in office.

Also, I'm going to assume you agree that a flood of illegal immigrants will lower wages for America's poor.

I don't think there's a clamoring of low skill, poor workers lining up to pick fruits/veggies which is what the overwhelming majority of migrants end up doing. Basically kitchen work is the only low-skill job that people would be pushed out of that I can think of.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by feniin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think there's a clamoring of low skill, poor workers lining up to pick fruits/veggies which is what the overwhelming majority of migrants end up doing. Basically kitchen work is the only low-skill job that people would be pushed out of that I can think of.

Of course not, because migrants have pushed down wages for these jobs. You are confusing cause and effect. At least I hope so, because the alternative is that you are seriously suggesting that America was incapable of growing food for the 200 years before we had illegal immigrants. Also, illegal immigrants paid under the table are cheaper than natives regardless without taxes and social security contributions and such.

[ScaringChildren]

Originally Posted by feniin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think there's a clamoring of low skill, poor workers lining up to pick fruits/veggies

Well of course you don't because you surround yourself in your own little yuppie liberal bubble.

Not everyone is as privileged as you.

Even if they're straight white males.

[ScaringChildren]

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[Irulan]

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well of course you don't because you surround yourself in your own little yuppie liberal bubble.

Not everyone is as privileged as you.

Even if they're straight white males.

Ill pick (lick) your fruit (s)

[feniin]

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well of course you don't because you surround yourself in your own little yuppie liberal bubble.

Not everyone is as privileged as you.

Even if they're straight white males.

I live in about the farthest thing from a yuppie liberal bubble. Not even sure where you came up with that.

[feniin]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course not, because migrants have pushed down wages for these jobs. You are confusing cause and effect. At least I hope so, because the alternative is that you are seriously suggesting that America was incapable of growing food for the 200 years before we had illegal immigrants. Also, illegal immigrants paid under the table are cheaper than natives regardless without taxes and social security contributions and such.

We've had illegal immigrants for our entire history. Blaming them for economical problems is always the strawman argument. Look at how Asians, Irish, Jewish, Italians, were treated over the years just because they came here to work/live. Blaming Mexicans and Central/South Americans for taking some imaginary job is basically the modern version of saying the Irish are dumb/poor/dirty/will steal your jobs/eat your kids.

[Sonderbeast]

We still talking about suckin dicks in here? Oops wrong thread.

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course not, because migrants have pushed down wages for these jobs. You are confusing cause and effect. At least I hope so, because the alternative is that you are seriously suggesting that America was incapable of growing food for the 200 years before we had illegal immigrants. Also, illegal immigrants paid under the table are cheaper than natives regardless without taxes and social security contributions and such.

you should think a little harder about history then boss