New Druid Advice from the experts

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The way I read the exchange it was DSM who misread Loramin.

DSM says one of the main benefits is the mana it saves [on casting invis]. Loramin critiques that and says "saving invis mana" as a shorthand for "saving mana on casting invis". He's not making up some new "invis mana" concept.

This makes no sense. To his credit, Loramin admitted he read my post wrong:

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe I misread you on the mana thing

I am sorry your gotcha post failed again. Please stop doing this, it doesn't help OP, make you look good, or make me look bad.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The ring's power is not about saving invis mana, it's about saving mana on the (far more expensive) nukes you have to cast at the end of the fight

For context, he specified the mana saving wasn't for "invis mana", it was for nukes. Mana is mana, saving mana means you have more mana for any spell you want. I never claimed that the mana saved was exculsively used for invis.

[kjs86z2]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

P.S. To be fair, I should have noted there was one other poster on the DSM side. Back on page 1:



EDIT: I misread something and removed that quote like 0.5 second after I posted. But congrats, after collecting all those quotes I misread one (and it took me 0.5 seconds to fix): I'm a terrible person. Now, maybe try responding to the substance? Or better yet, don't?

You're aware you can duck casts, right?

I charmed exclusively on both enc and druid 1-60 and never clicked a gobby ring. Its really not a big deal, just QoL.

Druid on a budget should definitely camp it for those levels where the XP is actually good, though! Why not play the lottery?

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If everybody could spend 10 hours or less at level 12-24 to get Goblin Ring, they would have done it already, and the server would be flooded with low cost Goblin Rings.

When I did it, the vast majority of people also doing it were charm classes or melees doing it for an alt. Those rings aren't going on the market. You're in a thread discussing doing that camp with the same motives.

Go do the camp and come tell us how many rings you'd be willing to farm to put on the market.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For context, he specified the mana saving wasn't for "invis mana", it was for nukes. Mana is mana, saving mana means you have more mana for any spell you want. I never claimed that the mana was exculsively used for invis.

The reason the ring saves mana is because you don't have to use as much mana on nukes/dots after breaking charm because you can confidently break charm when mobs are closer to death. The mana savings from the free clicky are almost irrelevant and completely lost in the noise of snares, root breaks, charm breaks, and nukes/dots.

Everyone else accepts this but you deny that the goblin ring allows you to break charm at lower health on average while minimizing losing 50%/100% due to not getting an IvA off on time.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The way I read the exchange it was DSM who misread Loramin

My mistake was thinking that he meant "the mana saved by not having to cast invis", but DSM didn't say that: he just said "mana it saves":

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Main benefit to goblin ring is the spell slot and mana it saves, so it depends on your class as to how much you end up enjoying it. I love goblin ring on my Enchanter, as I always have too many spells and not enough spell slots. It's a pain to swap spells mid battle. I don't care too much about the instant cast. Will probably swap it with a Ring of Stealthy Travel evenrually so I don't need to mem invis, and I can still break charms pretty quick.

Now, his "I don't care too much about the instant cast" (and similar sentiments throughout this thread) suggest that he doesn't really grok how the ring's instant cast invis saves non-invis mana ...

... but still, I made an assumption, he corrected me, and then I admitted as much.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by kjs86z2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're aware you can duck casts, right?

I charmed exclusively on both enc and druid 1-60 and never clicked a gobby ring. Its really not a big deal, just QoL.

Druid on a budget should definitely camp it for those levels where the XP is actually good, though! Why not play the lottery?

So I'm charm fighting two gators, and both are low HP. Suddenly one crits my pet (or gets a few max hits in a row, same difference), and it's now down to 1%.

If I have the ring, I can instantly break charm before he dies, which would mean I get XP for him, instead of not.

If I duck I can ... watch my pet die (and his XP with him) ... from a crouched position?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When I did it, the vast majority of people also doing it were charm classes or melees doing it for an alt. Those rings aren't going on the market. You're in a thread discussing doing that camp with the same motives.

Go do the camp and come tell us how many rings you'd be willing to farm to put on the market.

If it can be sold, it will be sold. That is why the supply is high on all good items right now.

Unless you had another account you were playing on before Green came out (your join date is last year), you are underestimating how camped Blue was with a 1000+ population. People would have flooded the market years ago, like all the other good items.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reason the ring saves mana is because you don't have to use as much mana on nukes/dots after breaking charm because you can confidently break charm when mobs are closer to death. The mana savings from the free clicky are almost irrelevant and completely lost in the noise of snares, root breaks, charm breaks, and nukes/dots.

Everyone else accepts this but you deny that the goblin ring allows you to break charm at lower health on average while minimizing losing 50%/100% due to not getting an IvA off on time.

You clearly don't understand clickies or flowing thought items, as I said earlier.

People pay 60k for Choker of the Wretched for 1 mana every 6 seconds. If you click Ring even 10 times per hour, that is 0.5 mana every 6 seconds. People will gladly pay 5k for an item that is half as powerful as a 60k item. It can be more powerful too if you click it more often. The stats are not what sells Choker. It's the FT1. You can get a 6+ neck for 5k, and the stats are basically the same, but with all resists too.

You still have no evidence to suggest the riskier playstyle of breaking later saves mana in the long run. If you lose a mob, you'll waste a lot of time and mana. I can predict charm breaks just fine without Goblin Ring, and you can save the same mana with free damage clickies at less risk.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do realize Fungi Tunic also went down in price? I said this multiple times already. It went down 20-25k over the last 9 years, while Goblin Ring stayed about the same. Everyone wants multiple copies of Fungi Tunic too, and 10 classes can use it. Goblin Ring is used by 4 classes at best.

By your logic Fungi Tunic shouldn't have gone down in price either. But it did, and Fungi Tunic needs high level toons to camp it. Goblin Ring can be soloed by a level 20.

If the camp sucks, then why would OP want to do it? A sucky camp does affect drop rate. If the camp is so bad that nobody has mastered it in the last 10 years, that is a factor you need to consider when camping Goblin Ring when it comes to drop rates.

Like always I think you cherry picked my post for one thing you disagreed with and hung my entire argument on that point. The Fungi king is much more farmed than a silly ring in LoIO because one is a cash cow and kind of fun while the other is the opposite.

People need rings on alts. It works at level 5. Pretty easy to understand.

Originally Posted by kjs86z2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as helpful as a fungi

lmao ya ok bub

It’s more helpful for cloth wearers who can’t equip them. Even a charm class 50+ isn’t going to get the same benefit for 15hp regen as an instant charm break.

JFC, it was an analogy.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People need rings on alts. It works at level 5. Pretty easy to understand.

People need all sorts of items on low level alts. Goblin Ring isn't special in that regard. Those items went down in price, Goblin Ring didn't. Why? Rarity. Goblin Ring has lower supply.