Cheating everywhere, GMs???

[karadin]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one has used any actual math to prove even remotely that OP's calculations or assertions are wrong. Just a lot of posturing and hot air.

OP assumes reaction times under 150ms are humanly impossible. His words, not mine. It's a core tenet of his video. This is disputed by looking at the human reaction times on the benchmark site he references as well as by any number of studies.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by karadin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lance Armstrong was a cheater and therefore anyone accused of cheating from that point on is a cheater. I’m glad we’ve resolved this.

The tests were originally taken in 1999, before there was a test for EPO, he said. When new tests were conducted in 2005, “all six were flaming positive,” he said.

The point being, there was no way to prove it at the time...

[zati]

Originally Posted by karadin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn’t say it’s different, but bringing Lance Armstrong into this equation as if his eventual cheating determination somehow drops the hammer on Stunningly is low IQ.

We’ve raised plenty of competent concerns with the OPs video. I’m sorry if those got lost in an RNF shit show. Feel free to read my prior replies about OPs dubious impossible 150ms claims as well as the screenshot where the Kickenit is way ahead of Stunningly after several frames and syncs.

The amount of competent concerns is rather lacking and staggering to say the very least. I didn't get lost in the RnF shit show. Its been mainly nothing but mis-direction or various jokes about the OP using his personal time to investigate the honesty and integrity of the server as a whole and the community that surrounds it; such that you do playing EQ all day long people are entitled to use their free time as they wish. Prior replies from you could be to search information DSM is missing therefore the server can move on whether the plausible evidence presented can be dismissed.

[karadin]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The point being, there was no way to prove it at the time...

Great, Lance Armstrong was once considered a legend and is now considered a cheater. What is the relevance here? Are you waiting for the day that science can finally catch cheaters? Cool.

[titanshub]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OP ignored basic computer science about data transfer over a network. So yes, he missed a big part in his analysis.

Please come back when you have the following:

1. Actual ping from all of the racers and the roller. This would first require proof the green bar at the top is accurate. If it isn't accurate, you would need to measure the ping of all players in a different manner.

2. Get the actual send/receive times for all of the racers and roller. Ping is round trip time, so it doesn't guarantee a 50/50 split between send and receive.

3. Determine how P99 prioritizes packets to be sent out. If message packets are given lower priority (and thus have more chance of being dropped), players could receive messages later than others due to this.

1. Ping time for stunningly is a decent approximation and based off of his actual ping. It could be demonstrated to be a wrong assertion but you have not done so. We don't need the ping of everyone you are just saying that to raise the burden of evidence beyond what is provided. It's not needed to make the analysis and missing it doesn't invalidate it.

2.we don't need to know the exact send receive time of every device you just don't seem to understand the technicals of the argument. 1/2 ping is a reasonable assumption. Ofc we don't have that knowledge and never will. If that was the level of information required to punish cheaters then no cheating would ever be able to be punished.

3. Packet prioritization delays on the server going to be negligible to the point of irrelevance. Packets will leave the server as fast as the server can give them to the network adapter and will leave the servers network adapter at wire speed. If there was a CPU or network backlog everyone playing would know it.

These are just excuses. We know when the data left the server. It's 1/2 the observers ping. Accounting for extraordinary circumstances still doesn't explain why the accused is consistently outside of the normal distribution of racers. It also doesn't explain the presense of so many world class 18 year old Olympian reaction times in a 20y/o elf sim. With that information and the ping of the racer we can infer very closely a best case reaction time of the human to produce the lowest time in relation to the observers recording.

You keep asking for perfect nobody can provide that. The bar is beyond reasonable doubt. If you have evidence the accusation is wrong provide it. I know you are not a bad guy. Can you not see how the actions of your guild mate might effect the rest of us who play here? Idc if stunningly wins 75% of the kael races, I'm in kittens. You seem to dismiss the reasonable claim on the grounds that you don't have to until there is a real claim. There can never be a claim that meets your threshold of evidence.

Like it or not the claim has been made. It could be disproved. I think most people are open to that possibility. This is a hard argument to make and there well could be an error or wrong assumption. However your time is better spent disproving what looks like a valid claim than trying to deny you need to defend from the accusation. We all play here and we are all damaged by cheaters. If he is innocent then it should be demonstrated via a rebuttal. So says everyone who plays here and isn't on the receiving end of these kael races.

[karadin]

Originally Posted by zati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The amount of competent concerns is rather lacking and staggering to say the very least. I didn't get lost in the RnF shit show. Its been mainly nothing but mis-direction or various jokes about the OP using his personal time to investigate the honesty and integrity of the server as a whole and the community that surrounds it; such that you do playing EQ all day long people are entitled to use their free time as they wish. Prior replies from you could be to search information DSM is missing therefore the server can move on whether the plausible evidence presented can be dismissed.

Respond to my recent image and OPs 150ms claim.

[titanshub]

Originally Posted by karadin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OP assumes reaction times under 150ms are humanly impossible. His words, not mine. It's a core tenet of his video. This is disputed by looking at the human reaction times on the benchmark site he references as well as by any number of studies.

Have you actually used humanbenchmark.com? It's possible to anticipate the click. Outliers would be removed from the statistical distribution for this reason.

[karadin]

Originally Posted by titanshub [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have you actually used humanbenchmark.com? It's possible to anticipate the click. Outliers would be removed from the statistical distribution for this reason.

Many times and I have gotten under 150 without jumping the gun. Additionally there are studies out there that show reaction times even under 100ms are possible.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by karadin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Great, Lance Armstrong was once considered a legend and is now considered a cheater. What is the relevance here? Are you waiting for the day that science can finally catch cheaters? Cool.

Making note of similarities in behavior and circumstances, in the event that it is true, until the thread reaches this moment...

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[cd288]

Originally Posted by karadin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We’ve raised several issues.

Lol I literally am loling right now. Vanquish outed themselves by accident months ago and now are in this thread trying to spin it. Can’t make this shit up! Lol