Enchanter charm isn't classic, we all know this

[sentinel]

Originally Posted by Ligma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is true in PoP, an era people agree charm got better because of AA and better charm spells. Except charm wasn't used in every raid or group. Despite being able to charm mobs in fire that don't summon and quad for nearly 800, people didn't charm on raids and most table groups were kite groups. Why is that?

I really can't speak to PoP and why people did things. I quit during that era.

I'm just saying, get ready for charm DPS/tanking in the classic planes. Given the huge numbers of chanters it would foolish to rely on 9/31 rogue DPS or 8/24 yaks when you have 100+ hitting mobs a chanter can easily charm/haste. One druid can keep ensnare on a ton of charmed mobs and bam, easy mode.

[bum3]

Originally Posted by sentinel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really can't speak to PoP and why people did things. I quit during that era.

I'm just saying, get ready for charm DPS/tanking in the classic planes. Given the huge numbers of chanters it would foolish to rely on 9/31 rogue DPS or 8/24 yaks when you have 100+ hitting mobs a chanter can easily charm/haste. One druid can keep ensnare on a ton of charmed mobs and bam, easy mode.

Easy mode? No thanks. I'll stick to the classic way and face the wall before i lose all my packets.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by sentinel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really can't speak to PoP and why people did things. I quit during that era.

I'm just saying, get ready for charm DPS/tanking in the classic planes. Given the huge numbers of chanters it would foolish to rely on 9/31 rogue DPS or 8/24 yaks when you have 100+ hitting mobs a chanter can easily charm/haste. One druid can keep ensnare on a ton of charmed mobs and bam, easy mode.

Of course you will have DPS from Charmed mobs. But I have never seen a planar raid rely on charmed mobs as a main tank lol, that's just dumb to say.

[nicemace]

Originally Posted by Ligma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is true in PoP, an era people agree charm got better because of AA and better charm spells. Except charm wasn't used in every raid or group. Despite being able to charm mobs in fire that don't summon and quad for nearly 800, people didn't charm on raids and most table groups were kite groups. Why is that?

Charm was considered good in pop because of the absurd ability to grind exp/aas. Pet kills gave 100% exp if you did 1pt of damage. Further to this they had absurd group exp bonus but if you moved out of range of the other enchs of your group you could get solo exp with the group bonus still applying. There were literally groups of 6 enchs in a single zone all spread out soloing with charm. This was not common but definitely happened which lead to charm pet exp nerfs and group bonus getting fixed in the same patch.

As well as enchs soloing literally every non raid mob for those sweet sweet ornate drops lel

[sentinel]

Honestly, I'm with you. Why make it harder on yourself relying on players for tanking/dps? You have murder gorillas in fear ready to help you mow trash down for lewtz and access to CT as fast as possible.

[bum3]

^ You will stare at the wall with me to make it classic.. won't you?

[sentinel]

Originally Posted by bum3 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^ You will stare at the wall with me to make it classic.. won't you?

You make a shit post to a thoughtful post. With the same tired beginnings of an argument.

[bum3]

Originally Posted by sentinel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You make a shit post to a thoughtful post. With the same tired beginnings of an argument.

Sure. You can read it how you want without putting any thought into it. But think about it. How hard was it to charm mobs when barely anyone had the internet to control it? If charm broke on 1, let alone multiple, during a packet spike, the raid wiped. I'm sure you feel differently, but most of yours' are shit posts too. At least mine is trying to open discussion on how things really were in classic. But thanks for enlightening us with your shit post on my shit post. Here's hoping to more shit posts linked to mine!

[sentinel]

Originally Posted by bum3 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure. You can read it how you want without putting any thought into it. But think about it. How hard was it to charm mobs when barely anyone had the internet to control it? If charm broke on 1, let alone multiple, during a packet spike, the raid wiped. I'm sure you feel differently, but most of yours' are shit posts too. At least mine is trying to open discussion on how things really were in classic. But thanks for enlightening us with your shit post on my shit post. Here's hoping to more shit posts linked to mine!

Oof, sorry I called your post a shit post. Didn't anticipate the vitriol/anger. I apologize.

Anywho, nah, charming wasn't that bad. Even if the dreaded disconnect happened, the pet just needed to be rooted or mezzed or tanked or whatever. People here are acting like 56k was this nigh unstable internet barely able to send emails let alone play Everquest, but it wasn't that bad (at least 200k EQ players didn't seem to think so).

[strawman]

Originally Posted by sentinel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People here are acting like 56k was this nigh unstable internet barely able to send emails let alone play Everquest, but it wasn't that bad (at least 200k EQ players didn't seem to think so).

The problem with dial-up internet was that as soon as someone in your house picked up the phone it disconnected, which would certainly make charming a much bigger liability