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[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by destrozi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How is the existence of later expansions / games at all relevant on a Velious time locked server?

We are in a Groundhog Day type of scenario where we retain knowledge but relive the same experiences. Later games are irrelevant, later expansions are irrelevant. People come here to experience that time locked nostalgia. That is the whole point of the server.

Loot is distributed on this server to the people that put in the most effort to acquire that loot -- EXACTLY like the snapshot of live this server replicates from 2001.

It creates conditions that aren't classic, nullifying any argument that the endgame raid scene here is classic.

That's without even mentioning 6? years of Kunark on P99, which would make a "snapshot of 2001" impossible to recreate here. And if you're talking about living in the Velious era for 4+ years or whatever it is, you can't liken anything to "a snapshot".

Classic Velious content was something guilds consumed and then moved on from, creating a vacuum for less hardcore guilds to come up and consume. And so on.

I know it's the entire basis of your agrument, but it was a flow, not a snapshot. Expanison. Flush. Expansion. Flush. P99 removed the flusher from the toilet of content and we've clogged it all up, and we're neck-deep in turds.

Unless you're advocating guilds who have been farming NTOV for 12 months get characters with NTOV loot on them deleted to simulate moving on to bleeding edge Luclin content as an artificial flush to get the flow moving again.

On Live, I didn't experience NTOV content until Luclin. That's what it took for the Xegony uber guilds to stop monopolizing the content before my guild could consume that content. That flow that is inherently classic is artificially prohibited from taking place here, so there can be no comparison.

[destrozi]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It creates conditions that aren't classic, nullifying any argument that the endgame raid scene here is classic.

That's without even mentioning 6? years of Kunark on P99, which would make a "snapshot of 2001" impossible to recreate here. And if you're talking about living in the Velious era for 4+ years or whatever it is, you can't liken anything to "a snapshot".

Classic Velious content was something guilds consumed and then moved on from, creating a vacuum for less hardcore guilds to come up and consume. And so on.

I know it's the entire basis of your agrument, but it was a flow, not a snapshot. Expanison. Flush. Expansion. Flush. P99 removed the flusher from the toilet of content and we've clogged it all up, and we're neck-deep in turds.

Unless you're advocating guilds who have been farming NTOV for 12 months get characters with NTOV loot on them deleted to simulate moving on to bleeding edge Luclin content as an artificial flush to get the flow moving again.

On Live, I didn't experience NTOV content until Luclin. That's what it took for the Xegony uber guilds to stop monopolizing the content before my guild could consume that content. That flow that is inherently classic is artificially prohibited from taking place here, so there can be no comparison.

You are misunderstanding me. The GMs have created a snapshot of how the server itself was, with added raid rules that level the play field a bit. I'm not talking about how geared certain people are or how many people might be online at any given time. The snapshot is the sandbox given to players to play in.

The server as a whole is nothing like 2001 because of all the knowledge and gear gained in the lifetime of the server. But that's going to happen. The game has hard forked from its predecessor. This is inevitable. Trying to control the divergence is impossible.

[aaezil]

Originally Posted by destrozi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EXACTLY like the snapshot of live this server replicates from 2001.

Sounds like you weren't playing a high level toon around the time velious was dropped on live. Raid mobs were up all the time. On most servers all but one guild could even field enough 50-60 lvl players to down dragons, let alone the insane non classic everything dying within 3 minutes of spawning non classic training/pulling mechanics non classic clicky use list goes on and on and on... Basically the raid scene on p99 is lightyears away from what everquest raiding was in real velious.

[Heebs13]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sounds like you weren't playing a high level toon around the time velious was dropped on live. Raid mobs were up all the time. On most servers all but one guild could even field enough 50-60 lvl players to down dragons, let alone the insane non classic everything dying within 3 minutes of spawning non classic training/pulling mechanics non classic clicky use list goes on and on and on... Basically the raid scene on p99 is lightyears away from what everquest raiding was in real velious.

Everything you said is true, but how would you fix this?

Put a limit on total characters a person can have / play? Something like 2 characters per IP, and if a character is logged onto from more than 2 IPs (let's say 1 for home, 1 for work), it raises a flag that a GM investigates? Basically start cracking down on shared toons and alts?

Do a full server wipe every year or two?

Remove recharges?

Remove certain clicky items (cough cough DA Idol cough cough)?

Gonna piss off a lot of people if they do any of the above really.

[destrozi]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sounds like you weren't playing a high level toon around the time velious was dropped on live. Raid mobs were up all the time. On most servers all but one guild could even field enough 50-60 lvl players to down dragons, let alone the insane non classic everything dying within 3 minutes of spawning non classic training/pulling mechanics non classic clicky use list goes on and on and on... Basically the raid scene on p99 is lightyears away from what everquest raiding was in real velious.

Did you read what I wrote instead of cherry picking a single sentence from my post?

[pogs4ever]

GM Event quake once a year (p99 or classic anniversary) where targets are divided up. Killed in the most classic style as possible instead of the most efficient. Take screenshots/video. Marketing for your guild and p99 server.

Put on your bronze and mithril two hander and fight Nagafen. Fight faydedar in the water. Crawl up to inny’s room and get grav fluxed 100 yards constantly. Bust into the thurgadin royal court and murder everyone red-wedding esque. A dead tormax in front of his throne of whoever’s dragon head that is.

That’s my dream for a rotation/classic nostalgia experiences. The other 51+ cycles be competition or whatever.

[radda]

Originally Posted by pogs4ever [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

GM Event quake once a year (p99 or classic anniversary) where targets are divided up. Killed in the most classic style as possible instead of the most efficient. Take screenshots/video. Marketing for your guild and p99 server.

Put on your bronze and mithril two hander and fight Nagafen. Fight faydedar in the water. Crawl up to inny’s room and get grav fluxed 100 yards constantly. Bust into the thurgadin royal court and murder everyone red-wedding esque. A dead tormax in front of his throne of whoever’s dragon head that is.

That’s my dream for a rotation/classic nostalgia experiences. The other 51+ cycles be competition or whatever.

pras Detoxx's serverwide tov crawl

[Legday]

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never said any of those things, at this point you're just arguing against what you think the mentality of most raiders on the server is. Not what I've actually said in this or other threads.

qft

[Kefit]

Just handle raid mobs the same as the Drusella and Lucan camps.

Each raid mob is its own camp and can be held as such between spawns. Your guild has to maintain a presence in the camp and clear the trash whenever it pops. Do this for a week uninterrupted and that raid mob is yours whenever it spawns.

Now any guild can get any mob they want, though they'll need to take care to not wipe to a flurry drake that pops at 2am or whatever.

[Fammaden]

Originally Posted by Kefit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just handle raid mobs the same as the Drusella and Lucan camps.

Each raid mob is its own camp and can be held as such between spawns. Your guild has to maintain a presence in the camp and clear the trash whenever it pops. Do this for a week uninterrupted and that raid mob is yours whenever it spawns.

Now any guild can get any mob they want, though they'll need to take care to not wipe to a flurry drake that pops at 2am or whatever.

I mean this is sort of the end result of the OP's train of thought. If Kittens/TSS/DBB/Asgard whoever wants to spend a Saturday sitting in fear clearing trash during golem window to claim a golem spawn as their camp, let them. If they wipe a guild with the "trackers" can come in and mop up their failed mob. Ditto Trak, if that guild first Trak kill means you are willing to pull juggs while camping the window in the lair while other guilds have more pressing matter, when why not let them?

From there its just the (classic!) play nice policy stuff. Run logs and fraps, can show you were first at camp with a reasonable force. If some other guild wants to try training or KS'ing you have recourse. Anyone who does try might find that guild they fucked with to be a thorn in their side for future events.

Couple this with more earthquakes assuming staff isn't babysitting too much (maybe, maybe not) and lots of people can take shots at shit that feels out of reach, but still have to "compete and put in work" to do it.