How Blood Guard does Lodi - Page 21

Heebs13 · #**201** 10-10-2017, 02:38 AM

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So yes....

You know, the irony of the most commonly raid-banned guild advertising "killing mobs cleanly" didn't really dawn on me at first. That's kind of a good point now that I think about it.

Troxx · #**202** 10-10-2017, 04:47 AM

Lol funny story.

I, for one, found the tactics used by BG to be quite clever. Douche move? Sure, but totally legal. Honestly it's no worse than the standard stall tactic of getting FTE and then kiting it around for 4-15 minutes to fully debuff it because you don't have the man-power to straight up engage while a dozen people capable of a direct engage stand around sighing.

Did the AG enchanter get a warning/suspension?

Droog007 · #**203** 10-10-2017, 09:49 AM

Alright, since I've been outed as an officer, I will apologize to BG at large for my generalizations. Specifically, I've had some civil conversation with Plush over this very incident. It was just easier to say, "BG" than it was to dig through my logs and name each douchebag... also I didn't plan to name names.

I guess maybe I thought it was obvious enough that I was only talking about the folks that were actually directly engaged with the fucking me over thing.

In AG, we take pride in the behavior of our members (RNF typically notwithstanding), and so usually it's a good thing to be generalized. I guess that's where my mind is at. You are your guild's reputation. I'm tribal like that - maybe it's not a good thing.

Droog007 · #**204** 10-10-2017, 10:35 AM

So I'm pretty well done with the nerdrage, as I indicated last night.

But a calm has come over me and I'd like to elucidate one more argument that I think will illustrate better why I feel so fucked over here. This will also be a little tidbit for you people clamoring for logs...

Code:

[Sun Oct 08 05:22:36 2017] You begin casting Bedlam. (1)
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:39 2017] Targeted (NPC): Xeker (2)
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:39 2017] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:39 2017] Your eyes gleam with bedlam. (3)
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:39 2017] Targeted (NPC): Grizlin Bloodfang
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:39 2017] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:41 2017] You begin casting Tashanian. (4)
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:42 2017] Grizlin Bloodfang glances nervously about.
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:49 2017] You begin casting Mesmerize.
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:52 2017] Your spell is interrupted. (5)
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:53 2017] You begin casting Allure. (6)
[Sun Oct 08 05:22:54 2017] Cashme begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:01 2017] Targeted (NPC): Lodizal
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:01 2017] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:03 2017] Grizluk says out of character, 'what's this now?' (7)
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:03 2017] Grizlin Bloodfang tells you, 'Attacking Lodizal Master.'
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:09 2017] Grizluk says out of character, 'some interfering/>'
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:12 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:18 2017] Targeted (NPC): Grizlin Bloodfang
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:18 2017] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:18 2017] Grizluk regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:20 2017] Your target is out of range, get closer!
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:21 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:24 2017] Grimmskld says out of character, 'KS'n also'
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:25 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:25 2017] You begin casting Speed of the Shissar.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:25 2017] Your Staff of the Serpent begins to glow.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:26 2017] Grizluk's casting is interrupted!
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:27 2017] Grimmskld says out of character, 'tsk tsk'
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:29 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:31 2017] Cashme says, 'i killing that need it '
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:31 2017] Grizlin Bloodfang's body pulses with the spirit of the Shissar.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:36 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:38 2017] Grizluk regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:40 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:45 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:47 2017] Grizluk's casting is interrupted!
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:48 2017] Cashme says, 'i woz killing Grizlin Bloodfang'
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:48 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:55 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:58 2017] Grizluk's casting is interrupted!
[Sun Oct 08 05:23:59 2017] You say, 'you can get him afterwards'
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:01 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:02 2017] Targeted (NPC): Lodizal
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:02 2017] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:04 2017] Targeted (NPC): Xeker
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:04 2017] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:07 2017] Grizluk regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:08 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:12 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:15 2017] Grizluk regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:16 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:25 2017] Grizluk regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:28 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:29 2017] Grizluk's casting is interrupted!
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:31 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:39 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:41 2017] Cashme says, 'U KS my MOB>>'
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:42 2017] Grizluk regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:45 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:51 2017] Grizluk regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:53 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:56 2017] Grizluk's casting is interrupted!
[Sun Oct 08 05:24:57 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:25:00 2017] You say, 'it's not dead'
[Sun Oct 08 05:25:03 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:25:08 2017] Grizluk begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Oct 08 05:25:10 2017] Grimmskld says out of character, 'enjoy it while it lasts, can't charm an engaged mob. It's a KS' (8)
[Sun Oct 08 05:25:18 2017] Cashme says, 'U KS my MOB>> Grizlin Bloodfang i woz killing '
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[Sun Oct 08 05:28:41 2017] Sirken tells you, 'GM Sirken here, you around?' (9)

So at this point, Lodizal is entirely debuffed and ready to be tanked.
ENC has run over to her spot for grabbing Grizlin and sees he's not up yet, but there are people hanging around his tent. (I think Xeker was Cashme's pet)
Grizlin has spawned sometime in the last 3 seconds
ENC still does not know what the people in Grizlin's tent plan to do. She told me afterwards that she thought they probably planned to pre-emptively charm it. She can't see melee animations from this distance, and any movement in the HP bar was not noticeable and/or she wasn't even looking at it. Why would she?
ENC had begun to cast Mesmerize, as that is typically how she gains control of a mob that she is planning to [re]charm. NOW she sees that people are trying to kill her intended pet, so she ducks.
Grizlin has taken visible damage now, but she has no reason to believe that they beat her to the punch, so she continues with her plan.
ENC alerts me by voice that someone was fucking with Grizlin while she was trying to charm it.
This is the first moment that ENC realizes what they were doing. She could not see that they started meleeing it until after tash landed and Grizlin closed some of the distance between them. It's only NOW that she realizes she did not have "FTE" on Grizlin (as crazy as it sounds to even need that)
Amazingly, 6 minutes after Tash landed, Sirken is in tells with her

The important thing to know here is that the ENC had no way of knowing who had "FTE" on Grizlin, since he obviously has no FTE shout (Why in the HELL would he need one?) It was only after the mob was already charmed that it began to dawn on her what the BG members' plan was - to tag Grizlin with melee and then petition her charm as a KS.

What are we supposed to do at that point?? Well, maybe if the Blood Guard members in attendance had only waited a few minutes, they could have explained TO US that they made a legal decision to cockblock Grizlin with a melee tag and they would petition us if we did not share loot.

And maybe..... juuuuust maybe... we would have.

But then again maybe not... I think I'd sooner destroy the loot myself and eat a suspension than negotiate with terrorists.

Droog007 · #**205** 10-10-2017, 11:22 AM

Haha... well I've considered the other gnolls, but they are low level and/or shaman ... so they will cancel magic Turgur's and then melt away.

Triiz · #**206** 10-10-2017, 11:34 AM

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She can't see melee animations from this distance, and any movement in the HP bar was not noticeable and/or she wasn't even looking at it. Why would she?

You keep saying this, but who doesn't double check their target bar before they engage a mob? It's not like it's some strenuous time consuming process. Especially if you see people "hanging" around the exact spot the mob is. Nobody's believing that.

This whole ordeal happened over 20 seconds, and 7 seconds of that is a gap between tash landing and mez starting to cast. I play an enchanter and I don't see why you'd wait 7 seconds to start casting mez after tash, if you wanted to pull it towards you Allure has a 6 second cast time.

Lord Sirken has ruled, RNF doesn't care, best to move on.

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lol

Pokesan · #**207** 10-10-2017, 11:35 AM

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go a lil further north and get the other gnoll. this mornings lodi kill partner got fte, i ran towards Grizlin Bloodfang, unsure if he was camped, panicked and sweating in the heat of a lodi boner w/o time for a CC response, i went up and grabbed Balix Misteyes. few minutes later to my horror:

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cant win

unmask this shit.

Triiz · #**208** 10-10-2017, 11:41 AM

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Haha... well I've considered the other gnolls, but they are low level and/or shaman ... so they will cancel magic Turgur's and then melt away.

If only there was some magical button an Enchanter could use to interrupt all their pets spells as soon as they start casting.

One can dream.

indiscriminate_hater · #**209** 10-10-2017, 12:07 PM

yikes

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Heebs13 · #**210** 10-10-2017, 12:25 PM

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yikes

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The real question is, are the 'Dr's in front of their names pronounced as part of the name, or are they both doctors?