If you believe in god, you're an idiot...

[Slathar]

Originally Posted by boboo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I hate religions because it makes life cheap. It makes people care less about ameliorating their condition here for some pie-in-the-sky dreampipe.

but oh my god if you dont believe in climate change you're a hateful idiot who hates everything and i hate you ahhhhhh *watches al gore movie 84 times*

[chtulu]

Originally Posted by Slathar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but oh my god if you dont believe in climate change you're a hateful idiot who hates everything and i hate you ahhhhhh *watches al gore movie 84 times*

where in this thread was climate change, or anything about nature presented? Take your ignorance somewhere else.

[Slathar]

Originally Posted by chtulu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

where in this thread was climate change, or anything about nature presented? Take your ignorance somewhere else.

oh no ive been called out on an internet forum guys

lets talk about why climate change isnt real

[chtulu]

Originally Posted by Slathar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but oh my god if you dont believe in climate change you're a hateful idiot who hates everything and i hate you ahhhhhh *watches al gore movie 84 times*

And by the way, Al Gore is an idiot. He's no better than any other politician or pseudo-activist who tries to use the shock effect to get results.

[Daldolma]

Does it make life cheap? Do you believe your lives have been enriched through atheism? I find it interesting that anyone feels like they are in a position to judge what adds value to a human life. Is reading Aristotle any more "valuable" to a human life than reading the Bible? How, exactly, is the belief that this is your one and only life more valuable than the belief in an eternal soul? Is a three-hour session of Project 1999 more valuable than a three-hour session of Church?

It takes some serious narcissism to believe that you can answer any of those questions.

[chtulu]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does it make life cheap? Do you believe your lives have been enriched through atheism? I find it interesting that anyone feels like they are in a position to judge what adds value to a human life. Is reading Aristotle any more "valuable" to a human life than reading the Bible? How, exactly, is the belief that this is your one and only life more valuable than the belief in an eternal soul? Is a three-hour session of Project 1999 more valuable than a three-hour session of Church?

It takes some serious narcissism to believe that you can answer any of those questions.

Human life should be measured in what you do while you live, and the good you do. Not whether or not you've done ENOUGH to go to a heaven.

[chtulu]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does it make life cheap? Do you believe your lives have been enriched through atheism? I find it interesting that anyone feels like they are in a position to judge what adds value to a human life. Is reading Aristotle any more "valuable" to a human life than reading the Bible? How, exactly, is the belief that this is your one and only life more valuable than the belief in an eternal soul? Is a three-hour session of Project 1999 more valuable than a three-hour session of Church?

It takes some serious narcissism to believe that you can answer any of those questions.

Hence why atheism promotes doing good for goodness sake. Religion tries to sell people on a superficial belief that you'll be rewarded at the end. Hence why Atheists can be deemed more selfless than religious people.

[Alawen Everywhere]

By an odd coincidence, I am currently attempting to struggle through "Ars Rhetorica." I'm pretty impressed by Aristotle.

I've also read the Bible. I'm less impressed with that. It's so butchered from hundreds of years of willful manipulation that it's pretty much gibberish.

At the same time, I'm also impressed by Linus Pauling, who said, "The best way to have a good idea is to have a lot of ideas." Personally, I think everyone should learn everything they can and think and judge for themselves.

My pineapple is pretty good, too.

Also, a giant turtle.

[Zereh]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've also read the Bible. I'm less impressed with that. It's so butchered from hundreds of years of willful manipulation that it's pretty much gibberish.

Indeed. Compare bibles that were published 50 years ago to those available today. Then go back 50 more ... it's pretty amazing how things have changed between the now and thens. It's also pretty blatantly obvious how things are worded (sometimes subtly other times not so much) to support whatever the current Christian agenda is at the time of the re-write.

It's a story book, albeit one with some great parables. It's also used as a sorry excuse to persecute people. I can't take it seriously when it's used for the latter. There is enough common ground on the good points of all religions that it comes across as very myopic to me when they continue to insist that one of them is absolute truth over another.

[Daldolma]

Why should human life be measured by what good you do while you live? How is that any less arbitrary than to say life should be measured by God after you die? And there are plenty of atheists that believe life should be measured by the maximization of pleasure and enjoyment, not good. Or the pursuit of truth. Or the pursuit of beauty. There are many, many theories as to how one should value a human life, and absolutely none of them are empirically correct.

But in the case of the atheist, who's measuring, anyway? Post-death is a blank void. To the atheist, life has no "greater meaning" -- it is what it is. Meaning there is no value, except to the person living it. In which case, you choose your own meaning. And if that's the case, if you want to live a life devoted to religion, and that's what makes you happiest and most fulfilled, that's exactly what you should do. Whether or not that religion is valid.

The harsh anti-religion stance doesn't even stand up to atheist logic, which is the irony in the whole matter. Atheists believe there is no meaning and everyone should choose to live life the way they see fit, not the way some religion tells them to. You can live in pursuit of truth, justice, beauty, love, pleasure -- anything but God. Doesn't seem real logical to me. Theoretically speaking, the atheist should be more tolerant of religion than anyone.