New ToV Racing Rules

[Legday]

Cut off my hands, gouge out my eyes, burn me alive....but just do NOT let casuals have anything that I want.

The burnout is real. Give it a few months and then swoop in. You'll get the sickness all the same, though.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Legday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cut off my hands, gouge out my eyes, burn me alive....but just do NOT let casuals have anything that I want.

The burnout is real. Give it a few months and then swoop in. You'll get the sickness all the same, though.

We won't though. That's the thing. If we wanted to raid like AA we'd be doing it every single cycle every single time. We can do it sometimes in small doses like PD yesterday for 8 hours or whatever but people were miserable the entire time. The goal of BDA is to actually play the game, have fun with friends will doing so, and hopefully get some pixels in the process. Sitting at a zoneline with a bard spinning selos while we all watch a screen shared on Skype because that's microseconds faster than the bard actually bind sighting is sooooo gross. It's not even the same game at that point.

We had a nice smooth Dain kill over the weekend because Aftermath was forced to concede after snap pulling Dain, getting eaten by a train, thus turning the entire encounter into a disaster. We're playing different games. No one will admit that though.

[Legday]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We had a nice smooth Dain kill over the weekend because Aftermath was forced to concede after snap pulling Dain, getting eaten by a train, thus turning the entire encounter into a disaster. We're playing different games. No one will admit that though.

No one will admit what? That A/A and the rest of the server have drastically different playstyles? That's been said hundreds of times on these forums.

It's the root cause of the issues with the raid scene. Hardcores don't want to give up mobs that they're willing to work hard for and casuals don't want to work as hard for the mobs that the hardcores don't want to give away. Casuals see it as over the top and hardcores see it as a meta game. Being better than the other guy.

So here we are, the new rules that don't fix the problem that the casual guilds set out hoping to see fixed. The only thing they do is increase the burnout factor by needing twice the amount of people to cover all of the bases. I guess that's a win for you guys.

No new rule set will ever fix the issue because the hardcore guilds will always find a way to play harder, inside of those rules, that you guys will (understandably) shake your heads in disbelief and stay away from for the most part.

Both sides think the other side needs to come closer to the other's playstyle but it will never happen. This game and this server is wide open for the taking. If there are players on this server willing to be gross and play EQ to its max then they can do that. Casuals think we're insane and they're right. Nice observation.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We won't though. That's the thing. If we wanted to raid like AA we'd be doing it every single cycle every single time. We can do it sometimes in small doses like PD yesterday for 8 hours or whatever but people were miserable the entire time. The goal of BDA is to actually play the game, have fun with friends will doing so, and hopefully get some pixels in the process. Sitting at a zoneline with a bard spinning selos while we all watch a screen shared on Skype because that's microseconds faster than the bard actually bind sighting is sooooo gross. It's not even the same game at that point.

We had a nice smooth Dain kill over the weekend because Aftermath was forced to concede after snap pulling Dain, getting eaten by a train, thus turning the entire encounter into a disaster. We're playing different games. No one will admit that though.

This is obviously bullshit as proven by the fact we now have run up rules. You do want what we get but you aren't willing to work for it. Youre the pathetic "me me me" people that are ruining this country.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In 6 months AA will merge into one hardcore guild with the common goal of keeping raid loot out of the hands of casuals.

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[Lojik]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In 6 months AA will merge into one hardcore guild with the common goal of keeping raid loot out of the hands of casuals.

Probably true.

I think as the weather gets nicer and now that velious has been out for a while you'll really start to see people go off and do other things. The raid scene is pretty bad IMO when u get to tov/kael/ whatever crap is hotly contested, it might get a little better with lower pop but who knows. Remember though, the hardcore people in awakened/aftermath don't actually give a shit about getting new pixels or experiencing content, they just wanna feel like they're "better" than people, and that requires excluding you from content AND your "tears". All the raid discussion talks are just ways for them to see what they consider "tears" from the casual guilds and it strokes their ego. If you want to eventually see this content but not have to stare at walls for 10 hours, I think the best thing to do is just pretend that this part of the game is pay to win (fuck yeah station cash!) and just enjoy the free to play part for now and be patient. If guilds keep putting up demands for fixing the raid scene, it keeps fueling that "competitive" fire in AA. But if AA sees that no one else gives a shit, eventually they'll get bored.

All the ridiculous rules you see in place are in place because of <insert whatever iteration of top 2 guilds> doing absolutely retarded things for a video game and then complaining about the other guild. But it doesn't matter how many rules you put in place, since the people who ultimately rule on these things will still have some sort of bias in their decision (you can spin it whichever way you like idc) and you will never be able to lay out specific enough rules to get rid of any bias of human judgement, ever. The rules should be simple with room for interpretation, but since there is limited enforcement and difficulty in proving wrongdoing, punishments should be somewhat severe, otherwise you just promote the lawyerquesting/rulepushing mentality that exists here. Some people like that scene I guess tho, and I doubt it will change anytime soon.

[Skew]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In 6 months AA will merge into one hardcore guild with the common goal of keeping raid loot out of the hands of casuals.

I can get behind that.

No Gharn's or Abashi for Chest. It can be the PD robe challenge for Velious.

[Man0warr]

The remaining casual guilds are pretty entrenched too, not many merging prospects when the time comes. Divinity/BDA are what they are, and have been the same for 4 years or more. Would be very hard or impossible to get one of the CSG guilds to merge with an AA guild. Anon is pretty close with Divinity.

Really you'd have to hope for a new and upcoming guild like Asgard that wants in on the scene. Not many of those these days.

[Raev]

My prediction is that the raid scene continues as is for another year-ish. By that point Nilbog will have finished the various Velious revamps, and they will release a fresh server with a correct timeline while resetting Sleeper's Tomb here. Most of the players who switch servers will be the more hardcore types who don't have zillions of plat amassed and want to start fresh.

There will still be sufficient players on P1999 for at least one hardcore raiding guild. Some people will stay because they want to 'finish' their characters, others because their friends are staying. This new hardcore guild will go hard in the paint for a while, but once the P1999 population continues to dwindle to the point when <1000 are online at prime time, they'll probably just agree to rotate everything outside of Vulak, Dozekar, and Avatar of War.

[Llodd]

Velious will be the servers saviour. It will fix all the problems.

Where are those false prophets now?