|
|
|
|
#1
10-29-2014, 10:16 AM
|
||||
|
Quote:
Who is exactly crying here? All we hear is TMO crying about COH ducking.... Class R is trying to seek out a change that is very popular with everyone except.... you guessed it. | |||
|
|
||||
|
#2
10-29-2014, 10:27 AM
|
||||
|
Quote:
But seriously. We tried for one FFA Trak, we don't have the depth of poopsocks you do to be competitive on it. Literally both TMO and IB have 2 mages on poop mountain with 2 more at zone in so that once it spawns you almost immediately have 4 CotHers on the mountain ready to get down the rest of your sockers. If we cannot get Trakanon, we cannot get VP keys. If we cannot get VP keys the largest benefit to being in Class C is moot. We would get 2 Class C/FFAs on repops totalling 4 a month, far less than what we get in FFA and Class R currently. So it would yield less targets, alienate our more casual players, and burn out our more hardcore players. It's clearly a terrible choice currently. Remove poopsocking, we may become competitive on more mobs like Trak that may end up pushing us into Class C... But right now we can only really sock VS and only during advantageous windows. Thus why you didn't see us at 4 AM for FFA VS. Even then I think the VS socking done by us (and Class C) is retarded. Having 3 warriors and 2 clerics auto running into a wall for 16 hours is so dumb, and needs to be eradicated. Which is why I only pop in for 5 min at a time to rebuff. I just happened to be present for the last two when I was rebuffing on my cleric. You want to see Taken in Class C, oblige Derubael, come up with some ways to get rid of poop socking and CotH FTEs, reduce variance so that windows are smaller and the time commitment to staring at a track box or camping out your main toon are limited and maybe after a few more months Taken may be ready to take that step. By the way, my question was ignored. 4 AM VS, Class C was the only one there, did you CotH or did you foot race? Since clearly CotHing is a Taken invention and not something condoned by Class C unless absolutely necessary?
__________________
| |||
|
|
||||
|
#3
10-29-2014, 10:42 AM
|
||||
|
Quote:
__________________
[Grandmaster] Rawrartiz
[Defiler] Boweevil [Wanderer] Samwise Originally - Reiguy of Fennin Ro Tyvix Rex of Sullon Zek. | |||
|
|
||||
|
#4
10-29-2014, 10:54 AM
|
||||
|
Quote:
They coordinate with the Mage so that they are facing the direction that will, once CotH'd, put them running directly into/near the mob in question so that they can FTE. In VS the mage faces VS room and warrior runs into a wall so that once summoned they run into his room without having to start moving or turn after he disorientation of being summoned across the zone.
__________________
| |||
|
|
||||
|
#5
10-29-2014, 11:14 AM
|
||||
|
Quote:
Someone is always going to be unhappy with the situation. The original intent of this thread was to make sure that the unhappy ones weren't Derubael and company. He asked us to stop socking. So let's agree to stop that. I see three options for this. 1. Allow only 2 in zone to foot race or 2 foot racers and a tracker. Maintain C/R/FFA. -- Removes socking but adds further rules that limit who can exp where, and more petition quest on whether that person was really in designated start line or not. 2. C/R rotation with FFA respawn -- removes CotH socking since Class C has agreed to no CotH. FFA respawn means Class R guilds can partake more in respawns and it will spread out more (at the cost of Class C losing some targets, unless they decide to agree to not VP until they both bag limit or slake their open world dragon lust) 3. Removal of all respawns, replace with simulated respawns which function like windows currently but spawns everything simultaneously randomly so that no point to track or sock. Simulation server repops would still occur randomly on top of these at completelt random times. Whereas the simulated respawns would just be like windows that spawn everything simultaneously. Agree to not poopsock your #1 target during this window too. He indicated variance is more likely to increase and become even more neckbeardy and alienate casuals from raiding by putting in a larger more tedious window. Let's show him that we can come to an agreement that is agreeable to all Classes, that would warrant a reduction of variance by the removal of poopsocking on this server. So that if you want to attend all the respawns and you don't have to spend 3 days making yourself available. You can spend an afternoon or evening with smaller windows.
__________________
| |||
|
|
||||
|
#6
10-29-2014, 11:37 AM
|
||||
|
Quote:
For God sake, I mean BDA has been on the server longer than most guilds. They should have guild mages by now as well. As far as Trakanon goes I preferred logging in at Ledge and not making it a COTH war. Was much more enjoyable. | |||
|
Last edited by Clark; 10-29-2014 at 11:40 AM..
|
|
|||
|
#7
10-29-2014, 11:50 AM
|
||||
|
Quote:
Taken has guild mages, we did exactly as you suggested when the rules changed. The problem is, this creates a barrier of entry for all the other guilds, namely, it requires THEM to all plvl a mage which is kinda dumb to have these imaginary barriers which are player created. Many of your TMO bros are actually frowning at us when it is suggested that other guilds follow suit and Plvl a mage to join in the 'level playing field'. Hence why racing is what being discussed, so you are not 'required' to plvl a mage to simply join in the FFA raid scene. ( granted racing has its own issues, but it does not require extra effort in terms of lvling and creating a 'raid mule character') | |||
|
|
||||
|
#8
10-29-2014, 11:53 AM
|
||||
|
Quote:
We have 2 guild mages. One of whom is level 55. We would need: 2 new guild Mages, 1 Mage PLed from mid 40s-55. Then we would need a solid 6-12 people willing to sock the entire 18 hour window and another 15-30 camped out to respond to a batphone. Which reverts to the whole point, and quite literally, the name of the post... Stop the Socking. To compete on such an FFA mob, having Mages is fine and I grant you that. But having to sock with 1-2 full groups sitting at the entrance the entire window... No. Stop. Don't do that. That's bad and you promised the GMs you wouldn't. Logging in at the ledge is sort of meh. That just becomes a sock at the character select screen. Somewhat of an improvement. Really should just see how no Mage CotH goes for a week or two on Traks... Would be quite entertaining. Most of the trains would occur in the basement where exp groups rarely set up so it shouldn't be too bad for the regular Seb exper.
__________________
| |||
|
|
||||
|
#9
10-29-2014, 10:14 AM
|
|||
|
But... Baby steps.
I can get behind 2 in zone to tag, foot racers. No CotH. Though I do think requiring new people to know the designated start point to tag in every zone is a bit much. Just make them logical points. Does Class C have points for all this stuff since you don't CotH? Gore = KC Ent (on the brick/stone platform) Sev = FoB zone line (what's a geographical object that can be used as a milestone so people don't creep up) Tal = On OT ramp Faydedar = On Ogre island land (or you can do on Chessboard if you want to get closer so that that pull isn't 20 minutes) VS = DL Ent (behind bridge) Nagafen = Entrance (not past first turn... IE you shouldn't see a kobold) Vox = Entrance (not past first turn... IE you shouldn't see the ramp) CT/Inny/Maestro/Draco = Not in zone Trakanon = Not in zone... No preformed CotH groups. (The poopsocking on this must die, figure out ideas on how to get that to happen without people herpderp training all the way down to him...) I think that's something most could agree to. Just need to clarify foot race. All classes/movement speeds allowed? Can druids/wizards evac themselves and/or taggers if the evac point is advantageous?
__________________
| ||
|
|
|||
|
#10
10-29-2014, 01:55 PM
|
||||
|
Quote:
__________________
| |||
|
|
||||
 |
|
|
Hybrid Mode
