Rallos Zek, first server to kill the Sleeper :)

[Nirgon]

RZ was also an FFA server with politics. Being a random PK was pretty much a political death sentence.

People got fucked on the dance floor bro. Hard.

I got respect for a lot of the reputable TZ players.

[Skitliv]

The fuck are you idiots talking about?
TZ you had guaranteed teammates predetermined for you. Do you know how fucking easy that makes it? Sure, there were politics on RZ meant to discourage random PKing by way of blacklisting and KoS list...but that's exactly why the people who DID pk there were so much more badass- it was us versus the world. Not only the world, but the RAIDING world. So we were infinitely outgeared and outnumbered. Server politics are not indicative of the pvp environment because anyone with any balls ignored the silly "blacklist" concept.
Not even to mention all the different generations of guild wars and the fact that even amongst the "blacklisted" there wasn't complete solidarity.

If you pvp'd on RZ you had at most 10 people on the entire server (if you we're good at making friends) that weren't looking to band together and fucking kill you and camp your corpse in shifts for days. You really think you're special when the server is coded to guarantee 1/3 of the population as being on your team?

[Clark]

Rallos Zek, best server because of item loot.

[Krolo]

That is why people find RZ humorous and sad at the same time. The server had every opportunity to become the thunderdome incarnate of EQ pvp. Instead your betters enforced NO PVP regulations on an unregulated server, lol...

The fact that your huge guilds banded together, holding hands to fight the sleeper is a true testament to RZ's pvp impotence. No respectable competitive guild on any other pvp server would have ever let an apposing guild get a free shot on a raid target if they could help it (at least on TZ that is).

On Tallon Zek, a guild (Veneration) awakened the sleeper, not to get a first kill and certainly not to bring everyone together, dick in hand, for a brief moment in history. No, instead they did it purely to fuck over every guild there after from ever farming primals the way you could pre-awakened sleeper. That was how it was done on pvp servers. Fuck, even on the blue servers, the guilds at least new the strategic advantage of cock blocking other guilds from primals (pssst to inhibit competition).

Your hardcore item loot and ffa pvp server rule set means dick if the people that matter are going to carebear it in the first place. Yes, RZ will forever be recognized for killing the sleeper post-luclin with luclin gear. It was a true pve feat and will never be taken away. But the fact that the sleeper managed to stay asleep post luclin so all the heroes could eventually band together for friendship and glory, is just one of the examples of RZ pvp lameness.

[SamwiseRed]

oh damn Krolo on the offense. I gotta agree with the anti pk thing, whats the point of the server? The only pvp going on was deleveled rogues with epics killing low level 20s. Oh and wizards manaburning people then waiting for CD.

[SamwiseRed]

lol rz

[Krolo]

I just explained multiple ways RZ guilds limp-wristed pvp and your rebuttal was "Yes, I joined a Tallon Zek guild".

[Dark Team]

These arguments are always so silly. In my opinion, EQ PvP was so cool because of the level of depth it added to the game. The fact that things played out so differently on each of the PvP servers (even when comparing VZ to TZ) is evidence of the game being awesome for the sandboxiness and player-driven communities. I loved EQ PvP for the roleplaying and political intrigue, as well as the danger and excitement.

And besides, you made your experience as hardcore as you wanted, no matter which server you were on.

Rallos anti-PK: easy
Rallos PK: way hardcore

Sullon evil team: easy
Sullon good team: way hardcore

Vallon "light" team: easy
Vallon pure team: way hardcore

Tallon was different, as I remember that server being the true FFA server once all the guilds started 4-teaming early in their history. So it depended more which guild you joined than what actual team you were on. I'd say Pande was easymode, just because they always had that gear/level advantage over everyone else. Kinda like how Nihilum is red99 easymode.

RZ going vast anti majority is one of the most interesting occurrences I have ever heard of in MMO gaming. The ruleset was so hardcore that the players actually turned to hardcore policing themselves. That's pretty great imo, and I wish I had played there as well as on VZ, so I could have been a part of it.

That sort of thing is what modern MMOs are missing, and I really don't know if it's ever going to be possible to get that back, as our attitudes toward these games have changed drastically since 1999. These days everyone is a hardcore PK, and it doesn't even mean anything anymore. A true hardcore player on red99 would go against the grain and preach peace and civility in the face of overwhelming odds and neckbeards with daddy issues.

[Skitliv]

Originally Posted by Krolo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just explained multiple ways RZ guilds limp-wristed pvp and your rebuttal was "Yes, I joined a Tallon Zek guild".

I was blacklisted from RZ guilds, remember? Server merge didn't mean all the RZ guilds suddenly forgot about years of training and massacres. Hell , I was even there at their Sleeper kill with 5 other people trying to sabotage it by killing clerics and newly rez'd at the rez station.

Though truth be told, rz guilds got squashed on the merge. Maybe they did suck.
The point I'm trying to drive home here is that I'm the best pvper in the game.

[Krolo]

Originally Posted by Skitliv [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was blacklisted from RZ guilds, remember? Server merge didn't mean all the RZ guilds suddenly forgot about years of training and massacres. Hell , I was even there at their Sleeper kill with 5 other people trying to sabotage it by killing clerics and newly rez'd at the rez station.

Though truth be told, rz guilds got squashed on the merge. Maybe they did suck.
The point I'm trying to drive home here is that I'm the best pvper in the game.

Ah, I wasn't questioning your skill. If you were one of the few people that took full advantage of RZ's pvp ruleset(or lack there of), props to you.