Remember all those massive WTS threads by Nizzar?

[Technique]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If for example you had openvpn.exe running, they could see that.

Rogean has stated that no out-of-process information aside from some hardware IDs is collected.

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The way most third party programs work is by injecting themselves into the client. When our DLL detects this occur, information about all the modules loaded into the EQ client get logged and sent. Let me be clear that it is only the modules loaded into the game itself that are sent. This is contained within the EQ Process.

Other than that, the only information that is sent on a regular basis would be hardware ID's that we can use to distinguish your computer from anyone else's. This helps us deter two boxing and track down hackers, dupers, RMT, and etc even if they change their external IP address, which is a common occurance. These ID's are arbitrary and do not personally identify you in any way.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Syft [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes you are correct about the header that's a no duh! But the data doesn't unpack until it reaches the computer, all the VPN does is change the IP header. The information is still traveling from the VPN to the computer through the leased IP. All your doing is fooling the server logs of the source IP. But somewhere in THAT data the server is still aware of the original IP because it sends the data packets through the leased IP to the computer and then uploads it again through the leased IP to the VPN back through the server.

That is why someone could figure out who you are even through a VPN, as long as you stay connected to a server long enough. A VPN is not a foolproof method to hide your IP, if it were the FBI couldn't trace or find anyone online as long as they connected to a VPN. You stay connected to any server and they can find your original ip and there are many ways to do it!

You cannot avoid detection indefinitely ! If you stay connected to server that is uploading and downloading data from your computer you can be found! Which is exactly what I originally stated!

Quite literally everything you said in this post is wrong. Packet headers are stripped and reapplied every single time a packet passes through a new device, it's not "unpacked" ever that doesn't even make sense. It's not like a zip file dude.

If I go to FBI.com while VPN'd in they have absolutely NO WAY to find my local internet connection. To the FBI.com webservers, my traffic originates from whatever internet connection I'm tunneling fbi.com traffic to while connected to a VPN.

Can they track you down? Sure. By going to the VPN termination point and getting connection logs and what not from the source. Good luck getting that info if you're P99 admins and you can't threaten to put people in the clink.

[Bardalicious]

Syfts DeVry education is showing well ITT.

[Bardalicious]

I think ill put my faith in the guy that works with a 100k+ tech budget over the guy that has a tenuous grasp of basic networking concepts.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Syft [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OMFg it's like dealing with idiots it really is! You do realize it's a lot DIFFERENT WHEN YOU HAVE STEADY CONNECTION TO A SERVER! Streaming Data back and forth!

Makes no difference, 1 packet or a million-gazillion-billion. It makes no difference if you have a "steady" connection to the server.

Originally Posted by Syft [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You really think the FBI couldn't get your IP if you stayed connected to a server through a VPN?

They can easily get your IP. Unfortunately for them "your IP" is the public IP you're using to connect to the internet through the VPN service, not the one on your cable modem or whatever.

Originally Posted by Syft [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LMFAO there are not leprechauns connecting you to that VPN, you are still connected to the VPN through your leased IP! You stream data back and forth on a steady connection your gonna get found!

The only party that knows about your connection to the VPN endpoint is the VPN provider. Without their help in tracking you down you won't be, period. That's why most legit VPN providers have clauses in their privacy statement entitling them to turn over connection and data logs to government agencies if they are requested. Because without those logs, you're 100% anonymous bro. Good fucking luck getting StrongVPN to turn over user logs to P99 in an attempted two-boxing crackdown.

Originally Posted by Syft [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If what you were saying was true than anyone could hack the world simply using a VPN!

You realize there is a massive huge ass fucking difference between connecting anonymously and hacking in and obtaining data right? I'm seriously starting to think you don't know the difference.

[Derubael]

This is what happens when you use brain dumps to pass networking certs.

Keep going Syft, you're making for some good laughs. A CCNP referring to a "steady" connection to a game server as anything but a constant flow of packets has me snickering. The length of time you're connected to our server doesn't magically change the information sent in the packets - there isn't some buildup of info that we can eventually use to track you. This isn't the movies!

In any case, Syft, you can argue all you want but the bottom line is I currently GM on this server and have access to all of the relevant tables in our database that track connections. As far as our servers are concerned, your IP and our involvement with you end at the VPN. Like someone was explaining (and like I tried to briefly explain, but probably wasn't detailed enough), the old header with the source IP (your computer) is discarded when it reaches the VPN. There is no trace of your home IP in the packet header we receive on our end.

That being said, we have other ways to identify who is who. But it's not always 100% and some people have gotten very good at avoiding it. Consequently, I've gotten very good at seeing through that and finding people anyway =P but it takes time and knowing what to look for. It's not automatic.

[Super Hater]

^ spends an hour syfting through forum posts.
Post pictures of alcohol and women from thechive.com to impress his elf peers.
Calls people nerds...

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Super Hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^ spends an hour syfting through forum posts.
Post pictures of alcohol and women from thechive.com to impress his elf peers.
Calls people nerds...

All posts from this thread, took 30 seconds.

You should stick to looking at pics on thechvie yourself instead of creeping on underage girls pedo perv. People hating on thechive is the same as hating america, hot women, charities and comedy. Dumb.

[Agatha]

the fuck is even going on in here. jesus christ.

[Kergan]

I kinda feel bad for Syft honestly. He really believes what he is saying, and is unable to process why everyone else thinks he is spouting complete nonsense.

I think to kinda address what he is saying (which is hard, because it is complete nonsense that makes zero sense) I'll say this:

If you're on a VPN, the public routeable IP you receive from your cable modem does not appear anywhere on any packet headers the server sees. Neither the P99 servers or the local PC you're on has any idea what this IP is, assuming you're behind some sort of router or firewall. When you're connected via VPN you're not connected to a virtual network, you're virtually connected to a network - there is a difference. Assuming there isn't any split tunneling going on, all your traffic is going across the VPN and then being routed out the internet connection at that location. It's a tunnel being created directly between your machine and a VPN endpoint somewhere in the world. Think of it as a big long ass virtual cable plugged into a switch somewhere in the world if that helps you to visualize it. The fact it must exit your local internet connection is irrelevant. There are hundreds of devices you pass through any time you do anything on the internet.

Look man, I know you backed yourself into a corner here. You honestly don't know this shit very well, and that's ok. I can't program in java, but don't see me telling a bunch of java programmers what java is all about because I'd look like an idiot.