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[Lisset]

2 things would be nice

1. Make sharing accounts bannable. So much of this crap is encouraged with the use of shared trackers, rezzers and porters. Classic EQ is supposed to be hard. If you can't find an actual cleric to rez you, too bad. If you can't help your guild by leveling up and placing your own trackers, too damn bad.

2. End MQing. Multiquesting does nothing but encourage this type of behavior. People camp epic mobs for plat through MQing and for helping a select few who want their epic without working for it.

It's not just sad, it's ridiculous that noobs to P99 are told to pretty much forget getting their epic or getting top loot because a guild would rather keep things for themselves with the attitude that it's theirs,

The bottom line is that when what's good for a guild is bad for the server, the guild needs to go and things need to change.

[Uteunayr]

Originally Posted by Lisset [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2. End MQing. Multiquesting does nothing but encourage this type of behavior. People camp epic mobs for plat through MQing and for helping a select few who want their epic without working for it.

I can't say I agree with this as an across the board policy. For new players just getting into the server, I know that camping Ancient Cyclops for JBoots MQs is often a very good source of income. I understand the reason why you suggest it, epic mobs for plat and so on, I simply think that it would need to not be an across the board fact of no MQing. It would hurt the younger player base. Heck, I'd not have been able to afford my Jboots when I was first leveling until I could solo AC.

[Lisset]

Originally Posted by Uteunayr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can't say I agree with this as an across the board policy. For new players just getting into the server, I know that camping Ancient Cyclops for JBoots MQs is often a very good source of income. I understand the reason why you suggest it, epic mobs for plat and so on, I simply think that it would need to not be an across the board fact of no MQing. It would hurt the younger player base. Heck, I'd not have been able to afford my Jboots (which I worked my ass off for, btw) until I could solo AC.

There are plenty of other ways to make money. The problem with MQing is that it's a vicious cycle. One reason why one needs plat from MQing JBoots is to use that money for other MQs because THOSE mobs are permacamped by MQers. It never ends. Far better to say "no multiquesting at all" than "no multiquesting except for those that a select few have decided they don't want anymore"

There are plenty of items to farm for plat.

[Uteunayr]

Originally Posted by Lisset [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are plenty of other ways to make money. The problem with MQing is that it's a vicious cycle. One reason why one needs plat from MQing JBoots is to use that money for other MQs because THOSE mobs are permacamped by MQers. It never ends. Far better to say "no multiquesting at all" than "no multiquesting except for those that a select few have decided they don't want anymore"

There are plenty of items to farm for plat.

There are plenty of items to farm for plat, but should we burden Seafuries even more than they already are? People know the money spots, and they are already tapped quite hard. At least in regards to the items being MQable, things like jboots are not held exclusively.

The issue I see is that if jboots stop being MQable items, the top guilds who need jboots on their toons would hold down AC exclusively, giving no one else a chance at any point, killing for the drop, and letting the alt account loot. At least how it currently is, richer players can easily justify paying 5k rather than sitting at the camp all day, which gives money to the poorer players who place a greater weight to the benefit of that 5k for their spells, components, and the like. I have heard many times of first-character Necromancers camping and selling jboots around level 50 to afford EEs. At least they can get the camp, something that wouldn't happen if the top guilds had to hold it down exclusively since they couldn't just say "Eh, 5k is easier than camping it."

So no, I disagree that it is better to take a "burn the house down" approach to a damaged foundation. I agree whole heartedly that some things are MQ camped to hinder the community and form artificial barriers and price inflation, specifically in epic items... But an across the board ban isn't the solution.

[sedrie.bellamie]

was every account on the server checked for duping? I guessing they were not. What p99 really needed was the ban hammer to come down like it did for SEQ and 2-boxing. If the server staff checked every account for duping and other infractions, I am pretty sure more than 106 accounts would get banned.

[Rangerboy]

i hope they do check all accounts and ban everyone who broke the rules. too bad for those people...thats what happens when you cheat

[Xarinr]

Correct me if im wrong but most people i play/group with are mid late 20s up to 64 (oldest ive played with. With that in mind you would assume that most are grown up... Just a thought.

So these people come onto a server which has been created and run at a cost so we get a chance to relive something i thought i would never get the chance. And cheat exploit and make the gm's job harder. Thats fair isnt it.

[August]

Honestly, I think one of the biggest problems we have is the capability of having multiple accounts assigned to a single owner.

I myself have 4 accounts because when I made them the thought was ' well since account selling is viable there's no reason to clutter up one account - 1 per character is a good idea'

It's one of the least-classic things about this server, for me at least. There wouldn't be so many accounts to share if this was the case. People wouldn't be able to just reroll after being banned.

I'm sure it'd be a technical nightmare, though.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by sedrie.bellamie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

was every account on the server checked for duping? I guessing they were not.

sorry, but you'd be guessing wrong.

Originally Posted by August [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honestly, I think one of the biggest problems we have is the capability of having multiple accounts assigned to a single owner.
I myself have 4 accounts because when I made them the thought was ' well since account selling is viable there's no reason to clutter up one account - 1 per character is a good idea'
It's one of the least-classic things about this server, for me at least. There wouldn't be so many accounts to share if this was the case. People wouldn't be able to just reroll after being banned.
I'm sure it'd be a technical nightmare, though.

err.. we can tell who is who, and we can tell who is on who's account, so i dont see how that matters. as far as not allowing more than one account, theres really no way to stop someone from making email addys and creating new eqemu accounts. as far as people not being allowed to reroll, you're missing the point. we are banning the accounts, not the people. most of the people did absolutely nothing wrong other than share their info. most of the accounts weren't even used in a malicious manner, just simply the guy logged in to rezz or port a friend. and Rogean even addresses that when he says;

"While most of these accounts are owned by other players who may have had no knowledge of the actions of the people they were sharing their accounts with"

that being said, Duping is one of the absolute worst things a player can do. it doesn't even compare to things like Raid Interference, RMT, Scamming, etc. Duping is treated more in line with hacking the server, DDoSing, etc. those actually guilty people will not be allowed to reroll. that being said, witch hunting and perma banning innocent players is not how we do things here, regardless of how much anyone hates the guild in question, or blames them for their own lack of pixels. hopefully most of these players will stop sharing info with people they dont know in RL, because this could have all been avoided for most of these accounts.

[heazels]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

sorry, but you'd be guessing wrong.





err.. we can tell who is who, and we can tell who is on who's account, so i dont see how that matters. as far as not allowing more than one account, theres really no way to stop someone from making email addys and creating new eqemu accounts. as far as people not being allowed to reroll, you're missing the point. we are banning the accounts, not the people. most of the people did absolutely nothing wrong other than share their info. most of the accounts weren't even used in a malicious manner, just simply the guy logged in to rezz or port a friend. and Rogean even addresses that when he says;

that being said, Duping is one of the absolute worst things a player can do. it doesn't even compare to things like Raid Interference, RMT, Scamming, etc. Duping is treated more in line with hacking the server, DDoSing, etc. those actually guilty people will not be allowed to reroll. that being said, witch hunting and perma banning innocent players is not how we do things here, regardless of how much anyone hates the guild in question, or blames them for their own lack of pixels. hopefully most of these players will stop sharing info with people they dont know in RL, because this could have all been avoided for most of these accounts.

How do you know that the duping did not fund the creation of TMO's 100 alt army??? Has rogean checked the paper trail? Somone in Dolojo recently told me someone had funded them coming to this server...all of them having hundreds of k in plat to be power leveled to 60. Is this plat involved in the duping? TMO often paid for plevel. Is this plat from duping? how do you know??