About Spawn variance....

[mmiles8]

Any attempt this thread had at being constructive died 23 pages ago. Grow up folks.

[Holey]

sorry ill say this. camping is the waste of life + playing eq.

[logiktrip]

I really not care less about what guild you guys were in on live, flame each other in PMs.

Bumamgar: I don't have any personal problems with how this was done, but you have to realize that any changes (or proposals to change) raiding rules would be better received by people if it had some kind of transparency rather than doing so behind closed doors with 3 guilds (2 of which have created our current raiding scene). Considering you are a dev here, it's just inevitable that someone will throw out the favoritism comment to get a rise out of you.

I don't engage in any of this camping of raid mobs for days - I think everyone involved in the raiding game will agree that something needs to change, but you cannot tell me you didn't expect at least a little backlash from this sort of proposal. We've proven time and time again on this server than agreements between specific guilds do not work out how they were designed(See IB+Trans, short-lived rotations, and now our current situation as examples).

[Humerox]

With the exception of some older players, most don't understand why the rules changed on the server to begin with.

http://project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5778

Originally Posted by Trimm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll admit that these rules aren't perfect, but we are trying to work in the best interest of everyone with the limited resources we have. To me, there are 2 big problems right now that we are trying to work around.

A.) There are more raid-ready guilds than there is raid content.
B.) Camping raid mobs is not illegal.

There are too many guilds to include in a rotation with not enough content to go around fairly. Also, if a guild wants to sit in a zone for 4 days straight to have first dibs at a spawn, they may. With the guild meeting and the above rules, we are trying to promote races to content and discourage raid camping.

The current problem was foreseen, but wasn't addressed. Time to change that. Takes work, but the server has done it before. The rules were written by the guilds on the server, and the abuse demands a rewrite.

[Chicka]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With the exception of some older players, most don't understand why the rules changed on the server to begin with.

So that reads like this:

We found an answer!
But what about camping?
Well what about camping?
We must solve the camping issue!
It is, look here, it is explicitly allowed!
(Random dude that also appears in this thread) I approve! (and btw I'm not a hypocrite)

Not good.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Chicka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So that reads like this:

We found an answer!
But what about camping?
Well what about camping?
We must solve the camping issue!
It is, look here, it is explicitly allowed!
(Random dude that also appears in this thread) I approve! (and btw I'm not a hypocrite)

Not good.

True, but wasn't the point of the post.

Point of the post was that the guilds on the server changed the rules, and the rules can be changed again. Everyone was aware that camping could be a problem under the new rules.

What everyone's mistake was, that we were silly enough to believe that everyone wanted to actually compete. The whole premise of the 15 persons in zone was based upon mobilization.

The only reason DA and IB get the boss mobs they do is because they camp. There are guilds on the server that would wipe the floor with them if they actually competed. Most of IB isn't the old-school IB that was here before. And DA has never had the nuts to try and mobilize. Prolly don't know how.

[mmiles8]

Bumamgar: I don't have any personal problems with how this was done, but you have to realize that any changes (or proposals to change) raiding rules would be better received by people if it had some kind of transparency rather than doing so behind closed doors with 3 guilds (2 of which have created our current raiding scene). Considering you are a dev here, it's just inevitable that someone will throw out the favoritism comment to get a rise out of you.

Did Bumamgar post on the thread? I couldn't find it through the OP spamming 2 to 5 individual post responses per one troll response.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by mmiles8 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did Bumamgar post on the thread? I couldn't find it through the OP spamming 2 to 5 individual post responses per one troll response.

Pages 18 & 19.

[Bumamgar]

Originally Posted by mmiles8 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did Bumamgar post on the thread? I couldn't find it through the OP spamming 2 to 5 individual post responses per one troll response.

Yeah, I posted the apparently damning revelation that an officer in my guild tried to be proactive and come up with a solution to the campfest by approaching the two guilds that were engaged in camping at the time to see if there was a set of raiding rules that they would both be willing to agree to. Succeeding in that, those rules were presented to Nilbog and rejected.

Since I didn't bitchslap this officer down and demand that he approach every member of the server individually to get their opinion on the situation, I'm apparently a sneaky, manipulative bastard abusing my dev position for nefarious means, or something like that. I had some trouble following the convoluted forum troll logic, to be honest.

[Humerox]

retracted