ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Sirken]

im convinced Euron will just look up at the bridge and make a comment about Balon. ill still be shocked if they bring balon back for 1 ep just to kill him. thats dumb and a waste of time and money.

they should shoot me an email, i could fix this mess for them :P

[Sidelle]

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I just watched "Hardhome" again. Really enjoyed some of the creepier moments, like the undead children. I'm a bit of a horror fan and I've always thought children make the best evil monsters. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I'm thinking about the episode and it's driving me a little nuts that we know nothing about why these ice demons are back after 8,000 years. I know they're building up their army of wights, but WHY? Is something forcing them south maybe? How are they going to cross the Wall even though the children of the forest protected it with magic? I suppose it could be as simple as they just want to conquer everything. Who knows. Maybe they know about the three dragons that were born into the world, increasing their magical abilities.

And just who the hell is this horned lord? Does it mean anything that he and the other white walkers look like weirwood trees? (LOL) I kind of thought it was strange when Sam and Gilly were still north of the wall and they found that abandoned shelter to set up camp for the night. There was a weirwood right there. They walked right past its face and within a few minutes that white walker suddenly showed up to take the baby. Maybe they're tapped into the weirwood network too?

I really wonder... Are all the white walkers as evil as they seem to us? Who knows, maybe we humans are the evil ones from their PoV. I've been hoping we'd catch a glimpse of the 12 other white walkers that were standing in the background when that baby was turned into one of them. I'd love to see how they interact with each other, etc.

[beyondinfin]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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I just watched "Hardhome" again. Really enjoyed some of the creepier moments, like the undead children. I'm a bit of a horror fan and I've always thought children make the best evil monsters. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I'm thinking about the episode and it's driving me a little nuts that we know nothing about why these ice demons are back after 8,000 years. I know they're building up their army of wights, but WHY? Is something forcing them south maybe? How are they going to cross the Wall even though the children of the forest protected it with magic? I suppose it could be as simple as they just want to conquer everything. Who knows. Maybe they know about the three dragons that were born into the world, increasing their magical abilities.

And just who the hell is this horned lord? Does it mean anything that he and the other white walkers look like weirwood trees? (LOL) I kind of thought it was strange when Sam and Gilly were still north of the wall and they found that abandoned shelter to set up camp for the night. There was a weirwood right there. They walked right past its face and within a few minutes that white walker suddenly showed up to take the baby. Maybe they're tapped into the weirwood network too?

I really wonder... Are all the white walkers as evil as they seem to us? Who knows, maybe we humans are the evil ones from their PoV. I've been hoping we'd catch a glimpse of the 12 other white walkers that were standing in the background when that baby was turned into one of them. I'd love to see how they interact with each other, etc.

Winter is coming.

[wts]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

they should shoot me an email, i could fix this mess for them :P

Step 1: Shoot Dave, Dan and all the writers in the face.

Step 2: ???

Step 3: Profit

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

why these ice demons are back after 8,000 years. I know they're building up their army of wights, but WHY?

I won't spoil it but all of Preston's recent vids speculate on this. Suffice to say I don't like the genre-bending implications Preston is hinting at.

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I really wonder... Are all the white walkers as evil as they seem to us?.

I got into a discussion about this on one of Leigh Butler's blogs (Aenor) in which I posited that Martin is distinct from Tolkien and Robert Jordan because he doesn't have orcs or trollocs that are automatically evil because of their race. I said that I enjoyed Martin's moral ambiguity. Another poster argued that the Others and wights are Martin's evil race. My counter: How do we know the others are evil?

[MrSparkle001]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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I just watched "Hardhome" again. Really enjoyed some of the creepier moments, like the undead children. I'm a bit of a horror fan and I've always thought children make the best evil monsters. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I'm thinking about the episode and it's driving me a little nuts that we know nothing about why these ice demons are back after 8,000 years. I know they're building up their army of wights, but WHY? Is something forcing them south maybe? How are they going to cross the Wall even though the children of the forest protected it with magic? I suppose it could be as simple as they just want to conquer everything. Who knows. Maybe they know about the three dragons that were born into the world, increasing their magical abilities.

And just who the hell is this horned lord? Does it mean anything that he and the other white walkers look like weirwood trees? (LOL) I kind of thought it was strange when Sam and Gilly were still north of the wall and they found that abandoned shelter to set up camp for the night. There was a weirwood right there. They walked right past its face and within a few minutes that white walker suddenly showed up to take the baby. Maybe they're tapped into the weirwood network too?

I really wonder... Are all the white walkers as evil as they seem to us? Who knows, maybe we humans are the evil ones from their PoV. I've been hoping we'd catch a glimpse of the 12 other white walkers that were standing in the background when that baby was turned into one of them. I'd love to see how they interact with each other, etc.

I'm not even sure GRRM knows. The horned lord doesn't exist in the books (that I can remember) and at the same time Coldhands doesn't exist in the show, and Coldhands is an intriguing character that really confuses the whole idea of the Others. He is possbily a lot more important a character than he seemed because of his "non-evil" nature. He may have given us a vital insight into this whole idea of R'hllor vs the Others.

There was one very brief but seemingly important line in one of the books which said basically this: ice preserves, fire consumes. Nothing good or evil there, just different aspects of opposing natural phenomena. Now consider that line with the character of Coldhands who doesn't appear evil but in fact helpful and the line between good and evil is totally blurred. Even though it's continually suggested that the hero Azor Ahai will be reborn to defeat the Others there's no clear indication of which side is good and which is evil: The Others raise the dead to kill the living and raise more dead which can almost never be considered anything but evil, but R'hllor apparently requires human sacrifice to feed the fiery power of his follower (and they are powerful) which is also almost never considered anything but evil. That's a common theme in ASOIAF - good and evil rarely exist as easily identified extremes. Ned and Jon Snow might be considered good and Joffrey and Ramsey are most certainly evil but virtually every other character is somewhere in between, like real life. Even Cersei is blurred.

Bran will most certainly have something important to do with all this but it's anyone's guess what that will be because nobody yet knows what the connection is between the weirwoods, the One-Eyed Crow, the Children of the Forest, the Others and R'hllor. Then we have to consider Lady Stoneheart, Beric Dondarrion with his numerous resurrections and his true flaming sword which sounds curiously similar to the Azor Ahai prophecy (Stannis' flaming sword is a ruse and doesn't even exist in the show), Daenerys and her dragons, what exactly happened to Volantis etc.

Over 5,000 pages and almost nothing has really happened yet. There's more questions now 5,000 pages later than there are answers and if GRRM doesn't hurry the fuck up he's gonna die before we get them.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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I just watched "Hardhome" again. Really enjoyed some of the creepier moments, like the undead children. I'm a bit of a horror fan and I've always thought children make the best evil monsters. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I'm thinking about the episode and it's driving me a little nuts that we know nothing about why these ice demons are back after 8,000 years. I know they're building up their army of wights, but WHY? Is something forcing them south maybe? How are they going to cross the Wall even though the children of the forest protected it with magic? I suppose it could be as simple as they just want to conquer everything. Who knows. Maybe they know about the three dragons that were born into the world, increasing their magical abilities.

And just who the hell is this horned lord? Does it mean anything that he and the other white walkers look like weirwood trees? (LOL) I kind of thought it was strange when Sam and Gilly were still north of the wall and they found that abandoned shelter to set up camp for the night. There was a weirwood right there. They walked right past its face and within a few minutes that white walker suddenly showed up to take the baby. Maybe they're tapped into the weirwood network too?

I really wonder... Are all the white walkers as evil as they seem to us? Who knows, maybe we humans are the evil ones from their PoV. I've been hoping we'd catch a glimpse of the 12 other white walkers that were standing in the background when that baby was turned into one of them. I'd love to see how they interact with each other, etc.

ok, so the first bit, i really think Sam will learn things about the whitewalkers at the citadel. for all we know, the whitewalkers built the wall and the story of bran the builder was fabricated. we just don't know. any of the things you mention are possible imo.

as for the "horned lord", i believe he's the leader of the whitewalkers. maybe its possible that the title of Night's King has been passed down over the generations to the current leader of the whitewalkers. some people think hes the "great other". i dunno if they are tapped into the trees, but maybe. to be fair, we really dont know whose side brynden rivers is on.

and for the last bit, i've wondered that myself. we only see and experience them from human PoV's. we've never seen their PoV, or learned their motives and reasons. but, i'd very much like to [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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[MrSparkle001]

Game Of Thrones 1995 style

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fPgIIB67bw

Game Of Thrones 1990 style

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjvEdXDYgY4

Winter is coming.

[wts]

Originally Posted by MrSparkle001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Game Of Thrones 1995 style

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fPgIIB67bw

Game Of Thrones 1990 style

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjvEdXDYgY4

Winter is coming.

LOL

[Tasslehofp99]

Don't know if anyone here watches Znation, but:

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/09/10...ombie-z-nation

Looks like George RR martin making a cameo in it as a zombie, lol.