Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[PlsNoBan]

Oh look more data to prove what everyone already knew. Mage does way more damage than shaman. DSM has now admitted a shaman is only the best option in this group for very few niche situations. He is now in agreement with everyone else that mage is a better option than shaman for the vast majority of situations from lvling 1-60 and most lvl 60 activities outside of Ixiblat and 1 or 2 other things that aren't done regularly and are not camps you would sit at for hours or spend any significant length of time doing. Thus would not be something you would build your entire group around. An argument could be made for a 3rd enchanter or a necromancer. But a shaman is only a better option for very few things that are not worthy of building an entire group around.

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He's now admitted that mage is better at royals and necro is better at fungi king. He's basically just clinging on to shaman being helpful for ixiblat and maybe like WW dragons? He's backed himself into a very tiny corner with his own words at this point. Would ANYBODY base their entire group makeup for 1-60 and beyond around what class makes more sense for Ixiblat? Or would you take a mage/necro that makes more sense in the vast majority of cases? I played actively on blue for YEARS and I think I killed Ixiblat like twice.

This thread really should be over. I know it won't end. But DSM literally backed himself into a tiny corner and the floor has fallen out beneath him. He's dangling by a thread and is going to continue to argue from there I'm sure.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I said all of this before, you just aren't reading, as usual. You simply have this strange straw man that I am obsessed with Shamans.

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay so we've established shaman has no place in this hypothetical best 4 man caster group outside of a niche mob or two. You keep bringing up Ixiblat which is one of very few situations where I think shaman might be helpful.

There ya have it boys and girls. If you want the best 4 man caster group for Ixiblat and maybe 1-2 other things put a shaman in there. For 1-60 and 95% of everything else at 60 pick something else.

End of thread.

We all agree shaman does not belong in the best 4 man caster/priest group. Can we end this thread now?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh look more data to prove what everyone already knew. Mage does way more damage than shaman. DSM has now admitted a shaman is only the best option in this group for very few niche situations. He is now in agreement with everyone else that mage is a better option than shaman for the vast majority of situations from lvling 1-60 and most lvl 60 activities outside of Ixiblat and 1 or 2 other things that aren't done regularly and are not camps you would sit at for hours or spend any significant length of time doing. Thus would not be something you would build your entire group around. An argument could be made for a 3rd enchanter or a necromancer. But a shaman is only a better option for very few things that are not worthy of building an entire group around.


We all agree shaman does not belong in the best 4 man caster/priest group. Can we end this thread now?

Someone didn't read the data, as usual. The Mage's DPS isn't significant, and this is an Epic Mage. A normal Mage may be lower. For 4.3 seconds to matter on a camp with 20 mobs that respawn every 30 minutes, you would need to be at the camp for 11 hours to get one extra spawn cycle.

In an Enchanter/Enchanter/Cleric setup, Mage isn't necessary unless you really want CoTH. They are just redundant DPS. The Shaman will give superior utility and open up more camps.

A Mage could help the group level a bit faster before 60, but a group with 2x Enchanters is already going fast. As I said before, you could even swap an Enchanter or the Cleric for a Necro if you want FD. Your DPS will still be fine.

[Karanis]

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[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Yea that's what I thought. Unfortunately I'm still here to remind you and everyone else silently reading this thread of your contradiction and admission that shaman is only the best option for this group in VERY FEW niche situations. You admitted this. Mage/Necro/Enchanter are all better options in many many more situations. Everyone (including you by admission) knows this. Stop deflecting.

[Gloomlord]

Ah, okay, DSM.

I think you should return the favour, go into a group as DPS in Seb, especially one with two charms, and parse your DPS.

But you won't, will you? Because then you'd see how significant mage DPS will be over a shaman.

Cowardly filth...

[Karanis]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

go into a group as DPS in Seb, especially one with two charms, and parse your DPS for an hour or more

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ah, okay, DSM.

I think you should return the favour, go into a group as DPS in Seb, especially one with two charms, and parse your DPS.

But you won't, will you? Because then you'd see how significant mage DPS will be over a shaman.

Cowardly filth...

The data keeps proving my point. You have yet to provide anything. Maybe you should stop being the coward and do this if you think it will prove your point.

[PlsNoBan]

The data says shaman is only the best choice for this group for a couple niche things. The data says mage/necro/enchanter are all better options for the vast majority of content. The data says you have contradicted yourself and admitted this fact already and are now trying to backpedal and go back to your original incorrect argument.

The post history is clear my friend. Everyone knows the truth. You have thoroughly and completely lost this argument. You can stop posting now.

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The data says shaman is only the best choice for this group for a couple niche things. The data says mage/necro/enchanter are all better options for the vast majority of content. The data says you have contradicted yourself and admitted this fact already and are now trying to backpedal and go back to your original incorrect argument.

The post history is clear my friend. Everyone knows the truth. You have thoroughly and completely lost this argument. You can stop posting now.

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The data shows Mage DPS as irrelevant in a four man group, even with Epic. I am not sure why you keep trying to read it differently.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The data shows Mage DPS as irrelevant in a four man group, even with Epic. I am not sure why you keep trying to read it differently.

You keep doing this weird bullshit where you equate DPS to time spent per kill and try to calculate how many extra spawns you get for that DPS. Here's a hint: It doesn't matter. You can make the difference between SK and Rogue sound small if you calculate it that way. Everyone is still taking rogue over SK for DPS. It's an extremely dumb argument like most things you have argued. Literally 5 more DPS is objectively better than an extra healer with nothing to heal. An extra slower when everything is already slowed. Whether you like it or not you're playing in a group with subpar players if 2 encs and a cleric needs your extra healing and utility. They don't. Realistically 2 encs and a cleric probably doesn't need a 4th but in this hypothetical if we're gonna force a 4th person then shaman isn't even close to the most optimal choice. This is EXTREMELY simple and obvious. The lengths you're going to try to justify the dumbest shit anyone has ever heard is a weird mixture of impressive and sad. You have openly admitted that other classes than shaman are better for most situations. You keep going back to Ixiblat cause it's one of the only things that is actually a semi understandable argument for your side. Arguing that a shaman's extra heals/utility is needed for KC/Seb/HS or most other content 1-60 and beyond is absolutely ridiculous.

I honestly can't tell if you're trolling or seriously believe this shit. I lean towards trolling cause you mistakenly admitted you were wrong once already and have been trying to backpedal ever since. You are very very seriously mentally ill if you believe anyone is buying any of this though.