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[Throndor]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes in certain sense.

The totalitarian style government that they have going on in a few places still has proven more repressive than traditional capitalist oligarchy that exist elsewhere (NATO allies). So East Germany (Communist) sucked more than West Germany (Capitalist). USSR sucked more than America. If we compare like countries Capitalist comes out ahead of Command Economy (called "Communist" by most people -- Marx would roll over in his grave).

However, China is the one great power that stuck with the traditional Communist style authoritarian government -- and is performing very well. Obviously, they ditched the command economy after all the Mao disasters (which weren't all his personal fault like the western narrative tells you). But they do what most successful countries are doing -- tempering capitalism to the needs of their population and long term goals.

America might fall behind "communist" China in GDP and global power in the long term. The Chinese fully expect this to be the case. And while they have a capitalist market economy -- the state transfers a great deal of that and has extensive involvement in the life of it's citizens.

So basically the command economy -- so far -- has been a failure. But, China's authoritarian political approach continues to show great promise as far as attaining global power and wealth goes. It's also worth noting countries like Venezuela (which also isn't a command economy) wouldn't be such a shit show if we weren't playing all kinds of diplomatic and military games with them as the world's current superpower.

Thank you for the genuine response. Ive already voiced my agreement and compromise on this front. The new right is committed to flushing the corruption in our swamp, the ball is now in your court to start seriously draining the corruption from the quagmire on the left before any further discussions can be had.

[Throndor]

Do not allow the superdelegates to steal the nomination from you again. You have no problem turning violent and protesting any advance from the right. Turn that attention on the DNC in the next primary. We are watching.

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by Throndor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you for the genuine response. Ive already voiced my agreement and compromise on this front. The new right is committed to flushing the corruption in our swamp, the ball is now in your court to start seriously draining the corruption from the quagmire on the left before any further discussions can be had.

lol

[Throndor]

Are we supposed to take Hillary Clinton any more seriously than we took Jeb Bush? Trump is irrelevant. Let King Ecgbert of North Umbria have his ice cream.

[Irulan]

Jeb for Daddy 2020.

Though TBH I wish yall would nominate someone better than Trump Pence.

Gary Johnson run in yalls primariy?

Why do conservatives hate libertarians so much?

[Irulan]

Imagine a president named Gary tho. At the negotiating table with Putin. Or in the news cycle.

[Irulan]

Oh that's dumb.

Gary should have been on the Republican ticket.

Ya'll r retarded and mad. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Throndor]

Libertarians can be a bit reckless when it comes to extremisms, since, at its core libertarianism is for laissez faire capitalism.

[Irulan]

Originally Posted by Throndor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Libertarians can be a bit reckless when it comes to extremisms, since, at its core libertarianism is for laissez faire capitalism.

I think that's better than communism and totalitarianism. Can't we just move the Overton window needle thing a little bit?

Till like both parties kinda get better at representing everyone? Not just a few snowflakes on each side?

[Throndor]

Originally Posted by Irulan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im less upset minorities are incarcerated and more upset that basically prison is torture, not mercy, or a solution. It's especially profound to people like me. Dunno if you've seen pics of me, but prison may as well be an automatic death sentence. Less so for communities like blacks and white supremacists which are more supportive and resilient towards those who've managed to survive incarceration. Or can conform to the brutality neccessary to make it inside, once incarcerated.

Yeah, our current prison environment is not very conducive to rehabilitation. Violent, sociopathic criminals need to be quarantined, fuck the whole argument about THEM needing social interaction. Infractors should be working with psychotherapists to actually promote rehabilitation instead of feeding them to the wolves, so to speak. Go to prison for petty theft, come out a hardened criminal because of all the violence and gang politics you had to integrate to "survive". Its sad, really. With that said, if youre a member of ms13 didnt you have to kill a rando to get initiated? Fuck em.