Shitty players make shitty guilds

[Wrei]

I think I raged at every Ench app we received (cause other than Equiss all the apps were epic fail) and yet most ended up with the tag except the few. You're right Alawen, some classes had it easier than others based on need. Surprisingly even though Clerics got an easier ride, we pumped out prob some of the best clerics of p99 at the time. For every bad cleric, we'd have some real studs as i recall.

Also, everyone sounds the same in every one of those application post. Used to be big shit on live, know wtf i'm doing, here to raid top end progression blah blah blah. Most ends up being a severe disappointment. Don't call us elitist pricks when the app didn't know how to get to a zone or use /loc properly (not even talking about class mechanics or boss prep here). IB set out to get the best, yet everyone and their mom at one point tried to app there only to end up in various other guilds.

[BigSlip]

hasbin such a fag

[Alawen]

Originally Posted by Wrei [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think I raged at every Ench app we received (cause other than Equiss all the apps were epic fail) and yet most ended up with the tag except the few. You're right Alawen, some classes had it easier than others based on need. Surprisingly even though Clerics got an easier ride, we pumped out prob some of the best clerics of p99 at the time. For every bad cleric, we'd have some real studs as i recall.

Also, everyone sounds the same in every one of those application post. Used to be big shit on live, know wtf i'm doing, here to raid top end progression blah blah blah. Most ends up being a severe disappointment. Don't call us elitist pricks when the app didn't know how to get to a zone or use /loc properly (not even talking about class mechanics or boss prep here). IB set out to get the best, yet everyone and their mom at one point tried to app there only to end up in various other guilds.

I think everyone tends to be most critical of their own class. My thing with the clerics was because they started off so bad. It's not really a hard class to play decently, and almost all of them improved quickly.

With class bias in mind, Prospect is an excellent druid. It's usually a pretty slow-paced class for raiding, but he was always ready to snare kite or charm or whatever random thing would help in tough situations. I don't say it lightly, but Prospect plays druid better than I do.

[Jacquouille]

I didn't make it in 'cause I was bad as a monk, whilst TR had just the most exceptional pull team that p99 ever witnessed, people like Kinsawt, Perun, kalrei, they were like a little sect hanging out in their own vent lol.

I made it in as a necro as playing a necro is just retarded in raid, unless you want to do things such as pulling 2nd PoH floor to 1st floor and run on the roofs to kite the whole plane whilst you pull inny, that's when necros became interesting, also island pulling in PoA. I really appreciated the fact that despite my app being denied, the guild gave me a chance and trystych took the time to learn me tricks n strats. I loved this atmosphere of "try to get the best outta your class", that was Perun/Kins motos.

Apping to TR/IB as monk, enc or sk was touchy, rest was just ok.

[quido]

Originally Posted by Jacquouille [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't make it in 'cause I was bad as a monk, whilst TR had just the most exceptional pull team that p99 ever witnessed, people like Kinsawt, Perun, kalrei, they were like a little sect hanging out in their own vent lol.

They congregated in the SEQ channel eh

[Jacquouille]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They congregated in the SEQ channel eh

Just like you congregated in TMO's channel for two boxers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] ?

[Horrible]

Originally Posted by Jacquouille [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't make it in 'cause I was bad as a monk, whilst TR had just the most exceptional pull team that p99 ever witnessed, people like Kinsawt, Perun, kalrei, they were like a little sect hanging out in their own vent lol.

I made it in as a necro as playing a necro is just retarded in raid, unless you want to do things such as pulling 2nd PoH floor to 1st floor and run on the roofs to kite the whole plane whilst you pull inny, that's when necros became interesting, also island pulling in PoA. I really appreciated the fact that despite my app being denied, the guild gave me a chance and trystych took the time to learn me tricks n strats. I loved this atmosphere of "try to get the best outta your class", that was Perun/Kins motos.

Apping to TR/IB as monk, enc or sk was touchy, rest was just ok.

except they used SEQ / weren't very good. I would argue Dark Ascension's pull team was better when Ledzepp/Sochin still played, and TR/IB had to get GM's to raid suspend DA because they couldn't compete with FTE ruling. Until Uthgaard got involved and quit because Rogean refused to do anything about his good buddy / developer Xzerion that led IB and had Rogean on speed dial.

But ... good try.

[Alawen]

Originally Posted by Horrible [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

except they used SEQ / weren't very good. I would argue Dark Ascension's pull team was better when Ledzepp/Sochin still played, and TR/IB had to get GM's to raid suspend DA because they couldn't compete with FTE ruling. Until Uthgaard got involved and quit because Rogean refused to do anything about his good buddy / developer Xzerion that led IB and had Rogean on speed dial.

But ... good try.

I completely agree with you there. Sochin and Ledzepp were outstanding. They're a definite part of the reason DA pulled ahead of IB in that era. Another reason was that DA had a shitload of clerics, and quite a few were rock solid. Check this out:

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[Loke]

Originally Posted by Horrible [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

except they used SEQ / weren't very good. I would argue Dark Ascension's pull team was better when Ledzepp/Sochin still played, and TR/IB had to get GM's to raid suspend DA because they couldn't compete with FTE ruling. Until Uthgaard got involved and quit because Rogean refused to do anything about his good buddy / developer Xzerion that led IB and had Rogean on speed dial.

But ... good try.

I'd be pretty surprised if none of DAs monks from that period were using SEQ. As someone who got busted for it, and played against those monks, it is pretty easy to tell if someone is using SEQ if you are as well. The biggest advantage SEQ offers imo is being able to see mobs without having to maintain LoS, for example, when mobs reset at their bind point. If you have SEQ you can see when someone else is pulling and what they are able to see, and how they respond to mobs. I was given SEQ by someone in DA as a response to thinking Tullian was using it (which he was), so them knowing I had it after I left for IB makes me think the same thing would occur in my absence.

I obviously don't have anything to back this up, but it was pretty obvious every pull team had someone using SEQ in the post-sky/pre-Kunark era. Even if the monk wasn't using it themselves, having someone in a private bind telling them when shit reset or where it was pathing was a huge advantage. Both guilds had players suspended for it, so for anyone to pretend they didn't benefit from cheating here is pretty laughable. Even the great monks from the early days like Emil got a huge benefit from someone like Tullian using it even if he wasn't using it, or aware it was being used. Hell, I know players from both IB and DA that two-boxed as well. People can pretend they're above that stuff, but I think we've all seen how most of those people respond to the allure of getting more loot, and plus, everyone knows that snitches get stitches.

If we really want to get into who the best pull teams were on this server, I think you have to either talk WAY back in the day with people like Krimz, or post SEQ ban with people like Adriana. Anyone trying to claim "pull team A" was better than "pull team B" during the period leading up to sky (when SEQ was widely dispersed on this server to my knowledge) until the SEQ purge is working under the false assumption that not everyone was benefiting from SEQ in one way or another. Like I said, I got busted for using it, but as someone who used it, it was pretty obvious that both sides were using it.

As a disclaimer, I'm not saying that justifies using it. I cheated, I took my suspension and loss of plat (like 600k if I remember right) - I just think it is naive for people to pretend it wasn't being used on a large scale by numerous guilds when over 300 people got suspended at a time when the average server population day-to-day was less than double that.

[Loke]

Just wanna add that knowing Alawen, he is one of a select few individuals I met on this server that I sincerely think would have turned a guild mate in for using SEQ. I know I was kind of broad generalizing everyone with that whole "allure of loot" statement, but since he is posting here and I figure he might chime in, I thought I'd preemptively beat him to the punch and say that I absolutely think that he is the type of person who would have the integrity to turn someone in (unlike the vast majority of individuals on this server). For that matter, so was Xzerion. I know the guy gets a lot of shit on these forums, mostly from people who probably never had a single conversation with the guy, but I have no doubt that he would have turned an IB member in for using SEQ had he known. Despite popular belief, he was a pretty hands off, and uninvolved guild leader in terms of raid leader, strategy, etc. I know everyone likes to pretend he was some shady mastermind, but for the most part he pretty much dealt with internal house-keeping type stuff.