ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[goalie]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

very true. at least for people that have been doing both. i love the show because i love seeing all these people and places and events ive read about. but at the same time, i KNOW what happens in season 3, there will be no shock factor, even in Episode 9 (9 is their big one, S1 it was Ned, S2 it was B.W. Bay)

whereas i would burn down a church for children with special needs to get book 6.

agreed. I enjoy the show for what it is, and the books for what they are.

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

based on that definition i truly think its possible for the Seneschal to be varys or Illyrio

Well I've never considered Illyrio as being a part of any house, but rather an independent master of his own estate - but I can see how a case could be made for him holding a position in the underground Targaeryan house. Now, as to them being important, that could very well tie into the Blackfyre thing - I've seen some speculation that they are actually Blackfyres in hiding, from when the remnants of the family crossed the narrow sea.

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and what are u talking about with the citadel there? you completely lost me on that [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Satin claimed that before he joined the Night's Watch he was a "pillow boy" at the Citadel. The maesters of the Citadel are the ones that killed the last dragons, and work to prevent the return of magic to the world. That's why I think Satin is the perfumed seneschal and is working for the Citadel in some capacity.

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

explain

With the wording of the prophecy, how they are lumped by commas, people seem to assume that they have to come together. Kraken and dark flame HAVE to mean Victarion and Moqorro, because they are together in the prophecy and have come together in the books. Lion and griffin HAVE to mean Tyrion and Connington, because they are together in the prophecy and have come together in the books. I'm just not entirely convinced and think GRRM could very well have laid it out in that way simply to have red herrings everywhere, so I like to keep my mind open to other possibilities.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I want to expound a bit on the Blackfyre thing, because I think it's an interesting possibility. The vast plot goes something like this - Varys and Serra were brother and sister, children of the Blackfyre house. Upon the doom of the house they ended up as slaves. Now, Varys was picked specifically and bought by the wizard that...eunichized? him. At that point, Varys was already well into an apprenticeship (you know, as a MUMMER), so I'm sure buying him would have been a lot more expensive than any unskilled slave. So, why? After his junk was cut off, it was thrown into a fire during a spell. And what makes magic more powerful? The blood of kings!
Also, Varys said that when Selmy killed Maelys at the battle of Stepstones, it was the end of the male line of house Blackfyre. Not the end of the line, the end of the male line. So this leaves us with Serra, Varys' sister. The last of the female line of Blackfyre. Illyrio marries his first wife in order to increase his station. She dies (how convenient), and he marries Serra. Illyrio and Serra have a child...a child they name Aegon. DUN DUN DUUUUNNNNN!

on this day, you have become my hero. usually i can tear apart theories ive never heard pretty quick, but you sir, every single thing youre saying fits. and i like it, a lot. only thing is this, is Aegon is Illyrios son, and not Rhaegar's son, then Aegon cant be Dany's 3rd dragon rider, as it should be her brother, if history repeats itself. so if everything youre saying is correct, id probably start looking towards Tyrion to not be Tywins son (although i 100% believe he is Tywins son). also Varys has always seemed to be a targaryen loyalist, but who can trust varys?

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well I've never considered Illyrio as being a part of any house, but rather an independent master of his own estate - but I can see how a case could be made for him holding a position in the underground Targaeryan house. Now, as to them being important, that could very well tie into the Blackfyre thing - I've seen some speculation that they are actually Blackfyres in hiding, from when the remnants of the family crossed the narrow sea. Satin claimed that before he joined the Night's Watch he was a "pillow boy" at the Citadel. The maesters of the Citadel are the ones that killed the last dragons, and work to prevent the return of magic to the world. That's why I think Satin is the perfumed seneschal and is working for the Citadel in some capacity.
With the wording of the prophecy, how they are lumped by commas, people seem to assume that they have to come together. Kraken and dark flame HAVE to mean Victarion and Moqorro, because they are together in the prophecy and have come together in the books. Lion and griffin HAVE to mean Tyrion and Connington, because they are together in the prophecy and have come together in the books. I'm just not entirely convinced and think GRRM could very well have laid it out in that way simply to have red herrings everywhere, so I like to keep my mind open to other possibilities.

i completely do not remember the bit about the citadel and the rest of the dragons, let me guess thats from book 4? i missed a lot of stuff in 4 because it was soooo slow for me. but i like the Satin theory. as far as the grammatical arrangement i do believe it matters, but i also believe that it would be a lil to straight forward for GRRMs style, which is why i love Blackfyre as a poss for the "dark flame" and to be fair, for all we know, Victarion could very well be with a blackfyre when he gets to Dany in book 6.

[Tenlaar]

I want to expound a bit on the Blackfyre thing, because I think it's an interesting possibility. The vast plot goes something like this - Varys and Serra were brother and sister, children of the Blackfyre house. Upon the doom of the house they ended up as slaves. Now, Varys was picked specifically and bought by the wizard that...eunichized? him. At that point, Varys was already well into an apprenticeship (you know, as a MUMMER), so I'm sure buying him would have been a lot more expensive than any unskilled slave. So, why? After his junk was cut off, it was thrown into a fire during a spell. And what makes magic more powerful? The blood of kings!

Also, Varys said that when Selmy killed Maelys at the battle of Stepstones, it was the end of the male line of house Blackfyre. Not the end of the line, the end of the male line. So this leaves us with Serra, Varys' sister. The last of the female line of Blackfyre. Illyrio marries his first wife in order to increase his station. She dies (how convenient), and he marries Serra. Illyrio and Serra have a child...a child they name Aegon. DUN DUN DUUUUNNNNN!

[Kimm Barely]

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[Sirken]

28 hrs

fawk

[Missingo]

need episode 1 of season 3 now.. cannot wait... ughhhh

[Sirken]

12 hours, 47 min

[Kraftwerk]

Totally butchered Arstan Whitebeard, Fist of First Men, Harrenhall continues to be not at all, Qyburn ugg. Astapor unsullied intro was good, giants and Mance was good, I hope it gets better and they stop chopping up the story.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Kraftwerk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Totally butchered Arstan Whitebeard, Fist of First Men, Harrenhall continues to be not at all, Qyburn ugg. Astapor unsullied intro was good, giants and Mance was good, I hope it gets better and they stop chopping up the story.

they sure love their lil changes for the show dont they?

doesn't matter, its back [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]


expect lots of Robb this season, and Lots of mentions ofthe Martells to prep u for all of them in season 4.


THE KING IN THE NORTH!
(going to be so much QQ after Ep9/RW)